Why no user upgradable firmware?

[stevegmu]

Last I checked, Evolv released so many bad boards/screens it opened a door for Yihi to enter the market...

Not sure what this moving up is about. Vapers build up a tolerance and need more and more power?

 

[Mooch]

Last I checked, Evolv released so many bad boards/screens it opened a door for Yihi to enter the market...

Not sure what this moving up is about. Vapers build up a tolerance and need more and more power?

Or, vapers are getting younger and younger. And for a lot of them more watts = more good....bragging rights, etc.

 

[stevegmu]

Or, vapers are getting younger and younger. And for a lot of them more watts = more good....bragging rights, etc.

I think we are past the point of many smokers looking at vaping to quit, but it is now teens and millennials looking to vape for sport, clouds or because it is trendy. That's the target market for these new China mods, not ProVape...

 

[WillyZee]

That's the same market Evolv, Yihi, Dicodes and other respected manufacturers are targeting. There's one big difference however. A board form Evolv or Yihi is suited for both beginners and experienced vapers. Someone who starts out with a ProVari and wants to move up has to buy a new device. That's why I always recommend a DNA40 (and soon a DNA200) or Yihi mod.

Some vapers don't feel the need to move on to the latest stuff ... for some, the Provari just works and provides a very satisfying vape.

I'm one of those vapers ... even the new Provari doesn't do much more than the old Provari vape wise.

10 years from now ... many ex-smokers like me, will be vaping the same Kayfuns using the same Provaris.

 

[Lemwise]

And for you and others like you it's the perfect device. But Provape can't just rely on people like you to keep them in business. It doesn't matter what you think of Provape or other companies, temperature controlled vaping is the future and will only get better as the tech gets more refined. Does Provape really want to be seen as a company that doesn't think providing the safest vape is the way to go? They're all about safety aren't they? So why aren't they doing anything about it?

 

[Mooch]

If TC is the future, and if Provape would want to do it right, they might decide to wait until the market shakes itself out before releasing a TC device. There's no need to be one of the first. There is a huge need to be one of the best. And sometimes waiting can lead to that. Let everyone else show you what features work, what features don't, and then take the best combination that will most appeal to the target audience.

 

[stevegmu]

And for you and others like you it's the perfect device. But Provape can't just rely on people like you to keep them in business. It doesn't matter what you think of Provape or other companies, temperature controlled vaping is the future and will only get better as the tech gets more refined. Does Provape really want to be seen as a company that doesn't think providing the safest vape is the way to go? They're all about safety aren't they? So why aren't they doing anything about it?

What makes you think high powered, cloud chasing vaping, even with temp. control is safe vaping? Dr. F. hasn't yet studied vaping over 20 watts. When he does, I imagine many high power vapers will be surprised, but most won't care...

 

[AstroTurf]

Someone who starts out with a ProVari and wants to move up has to buy a new device.

That's why I always recommend a DNA40 (and soon a DNA200) or Yihi mod.

Sounds like you're saying that your recommendation is to start out and then move up too?!?

I think perhaps your own statements are your worst enemy...

Perhaps you should read them before you hit the post reply button.

(More Popcorn over here please)

 

[WillyZee]

And for you and others like you it's the perfect device. But Provape can't just rely on people like you to keep them in business. It doesn't matter what you think of Provape or other companies, temperature controlled vaping is the future and will only get better as the tech gets more refined. Does Provape really want to be seen as a company that doesn't think providing the safest vape is the way to go? They're all about safety aren't they? So why aren't they doing anything about it?

The future of vaping may not become what you think it will be ... it's possible, many of the high watt vapers who go through 15-20ml per day will be dialing the watts back when taxes kick in.

 

[Lemwise]

Who said anything about high powered temp control vaping? Everyone I know who has a SX Mini vapes in the 20-25 joules ranges with the temp limit set to 210-230 degrees Celcius. That's hardly high powered but more than enough for a good flavour and vapour production. Just because you can crank up the wattage doesn't mean you have to.

Sounds like you're saying that your recommendation is to start out and then move up too?!?

I recommend a Yihi or DNA mod because if they want to move up somewhere down the line they won't have to buy another device. That's called future proofing. I'm not telling them they have to move up.

 

[AstroTurf]

A lil tune to listen to while we read...

 

[TraderX]

It doesn't matter what degree you have or how awesome your product is. If it doesn't meet the needs of the of the market you are going to go out of business. Right now Provape is a niche company and if they want to stay around they will have to expand their portfolio. Right now the market is moving in the direction of temperature control and rightly so. Temperature control is the future, but we haven't heard anything from Provape they're even considering doing anything like this. We all started vaping because of harm reduction and TC offers an even safer vape. So what are people doing? They're moving to Evolv and Yihi. My ProVari 2.5 hasn't been used in over a year since I first discovered TC and there are thousands like me, and more are joining the TC ranks every day. We are all customers that Provape will never win back unless they get with the game. Unfortunately for Provape, Evolv holds the patent on TC in the USA. So tell me, what can Provape do to secure their future?

What you seem to easily pass over or forget, is that 95% of the people getting into vaping are doing it to get off cigarettes. They don't need more than 20 watts, nor do they want it. That is all they want now, and all they will ever need. The ProVari is the very best made device in that particular range.

You somehow mistakenly think that the sleeve tattoo, duck dynasty beard, cloud chasing, high watt hipsters on youtube are the actual main vaping market. Sorry my friend, that is simply not the case. You could not be more more incorrect in your assumptions. The main vaping market is regular people who just want to get off cigarettes, with zero interest in cloud chasing or whatever the next hipster trend is. Lets not forget that some of us also refuse to buy Chinese junk that needs to be replaced every six months.

Five cigarette smoking friends have seen my Provari this past week, and all five of them now want to order one. None of these guys would even consider placing a cheap Chinese electronic device anywhere near their face, looks like ProVari will be getting some new business.

It is clear to me at least, that you are just another ProVari hater.

 

[WillyZee]

Welcome to a Provari bash thread Trader ... I saw you buy that Provari ... that may be the last eCig you will ever need.


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[Lemwise]

They don't need more than 20 watts, nor do they want it. That is all they want now, and all they will ever need.

That's quite a statement. So you are basically deciding for them what they want and need.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

And for you and others like you it's the perfect device. But Provape can't just rely on people like you to keep them in business. It doesn't matter what you think of Provape or other companies, temperature controlled vaping is the future and will only get better as the tech gets more refined. Does Provape really want to be seen as a company that doesn't think providing the safest vape is the way to go? They're all about safety aren't they? So why aren't they doing anything about it?

TC is like .001% of the market right now, for those who use it.
TC will not satisfy the Look at my cloud crowd.
TC for the masses is perhaps 5 years down the road.
More people still buy cigalikes than mods anyway. MOD type sales are growing fast but I think ciglalikes and under 20 watts will dominate the market for several more years at least.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Welcome to a Provari bash thread Trader ... I saw you buy that Provari ... that may be the last eCig you will ever need.


Sent via iPhone

some are in denial about Provari envy

 

[ckquatt]

That's quite a statement. So you are basically deciding for them what they want and need.

How black is that pot, kettle?

 

[stevegmu]

Who said anything about high powered temp control vaping? Everyone I know who has a SX Mini vapes in the 20-25 joules ranges with the temp limit set to 210-230 degrees Celcius. That's hardly high powered but more than enough for a good flavour and vapour production. Just because you can crank up the wattage doesn't mean you have to.


I recommend a Yihi or DNA mod because if they want to move up somewhere down the line they won't have to buy another device. That's called future proofing. I'm not telling them they have to move up.

Buying China mods is anything but future proofing...

 

[AstroTurf]

Buying China mods is anything but future proofing...

Come on now Steve...

Buying a cHINA Mod is most certainly future proofing...

Proofing a Future full of expense and continual repurchasing of more cHINESE Junk.

 

[SeniorBoy]

Unfortunately for Provape, Evolv holds the patent on TC in the USA. So tell me, what can Provape do to secure their future?

Psst.................................... Please take a deep breath /joke

Patent US20130104916 - Electronic vaporizer that simulates smoking with power control - Google Patents

Seems to me, all my gaggle of P3 work just fine in VW mode.

BTW, if you want to call Brandon or John and ask them about this VW Patent, please tell them that Steve (ME) sent you. Good guys.

/Respectful end to your question