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It's about quality... For instance, my NZonic, actually has a working magnetic switch... The sigeli 19, has magnets, but they don't do anything and the switch uses a spring.
Sure you can mod the #19 to work "right", but why?
It still won't have the build quality.
It's threads won't be as smooth
It won't have the same crazy low voltage drop
And it would be rewarding thievery.
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Sure you can mod the #19 to work "right", but why?
It still won't have the build quality.
It's threads won't be as smooth
It won't have the same crazy low voltage drop
And it would be rewarding thievery.
Sent from my mobile, using Tapatalk... so ignore the typos.
Nope, dont have an ability to. u gotta trust me, lol. pbusardo tested it and a single aw capped out at 4.1v on a 1.5ohm carto. i have stacked batteries and i notice a difference in every increment. you should give it a shot! you will be surprised what stacked batteries in a vamo can do
clippin, i am between the Nzonic (absolutely sexy design), the ihybrid pure, and the noble1. but for pure mechanical mods, i think nzonic would be awesome as a first high-end mod for me. way down the road though.
I am interested, unfortunately my vamo board has a broken button and I can't take it out of watts mode :/
I am curious just what the actual outputs are. It clips out pretty early with a single battery, so just eliminating that would cause a difference in perception from level to level. I do see a few people claiming super high watt outputs from their Vamos but I can't find any documentation of the actual voltage output.
anavid fan, which ones in your experience dont have much of a difference?
dr g, don't what to tell ya, stacked batteries on a vamo make it a high amp device. if im wrong about the specs, oh well, still a much much better vape for me than a single cell and im happy with it. cant wait to get my ss vamo now!
but the real anticipation is for the sentinel clone v3. i have heard great things about the original, can't wait to see how it is! the kts and k100 performance seems to be well documented so i know im getting a quality product in those, i hope
dr g, don't what to tell ya, stacked batteries on a vamo make it a high amp device. if im wrong about the specs, oh well, still a much much better vape for me than a single cell and im happy with it. cant wait to get my ss vamo now!
but the real anticipation is for the sentinel clone v3. i have heard great things about the original, can't wait to see how it is! the kts and k100 performance seems to be well documented so i know im getting a quality product in those, i hope
The thing about mechanical mods is the same thing about rebuildable atomizers. They are for advanced vapers who like to try to work on their PV's. If someone is new or a novice, they might not care much if or how to tweak a mechanical mod to get it to work well or know when one performs better than the other. Yet for those who enjoy that aspect, they might really respond well to a mod that has better craftsmanship, low voltage drop, etc... I feel that the answer to this topic is basically a yes and no depending on your level of experience and what you want out of vaping. Personally, I am very happy with my Zmax and Vamo. I like to be able to adjust the wattage and see my vaoltage and ohms. If I really wanted to, I could afford really nice mods, but I really don't have the patience to find a good mod in stock and right now, I'm perfectly happy to buy a few cheap Sigelei mods that I think look good. To be honest, I can't see shelling out the cash for an original mod right now because it doesn't interest me.
I'd like to weigh in here if I could.
Chinese clones are like Chinese food. I'm hungry right after...
My first genesis was a Chid or DUD or whatever, a clone of MMV's D14.
Did it work, essentially yes
Was it a piece of crap, absolutely
Was it a waste of money, No*
*But only because I cut my teeth on it, and could comfortably justify buy a DID; an atty designed by someone who actually vapes. That makes a world of difference.
How are you gonna trust a China man to wrap a coil for you, and then you step up to a RBA and trust the same profit driven foreign industry to design an atty or mod for you. Doesn't make a lick of sense.
I mean yeah, I snagged a couple RSST's off a Co-Op.. Proud owner of a Chimbus... but those are not my all day caries, and they didn't even work out of the box.
Chinese clones are like Chinese food. I'm hungry right after...
My first genesis was a Chid or DUD or whatever, a clone of MMV's D14.
Did it work, essentially yes
Was it a piece of crap, absolutely
Was it a waste of money, No*
*But only because I cut my teeth on it, and could comfortably justify buy a DID; an atty designed by someone who actually vapes. That makes a world of difference.
How are you gonna trust a China man to wrap a coil for you, and then you step up to a RBA and trust the same profit driven foreign industry to design an atty or mod for you. Doesn't make a lick of sense.
I mean yeah, I snagged a couple RSST's off a Co-Op.. Proud owner of a Chimbus... but those are not my all day caries, and they didn't even work out of the box.
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Collectability for the high end stuff. There are many whom use the knockoffs and have not had issues.
If you ever own a GG you will find out real fast that it is not 14x better than the china clone of it but easily 20x better from every aspect. I myself own both original high end mods and china market pv's , each has there place in the vapers market but at the same time you cant compare quality and performance of them. Its like I'm sitting at a red light in my M5 and you pull up next to me in your Toyota Yaris and ask me why would you pay so much for your car when you can drive this for so much less? It only not worth it to people that can't afford to own it.
That's not entirely true. I can afford a high-end mod, but I would rather take my son to the movies.... 20 times. Some things are just more important to people than dropping 200+ on a metal tube just because it has a fishing boat in the side or has buttery threads. My china mods perform exactly how I want and that is enough for me. Status symbols are overrated IMO, but if someone with a collection of high-dollar mods feels better about themselves for having them- who am I to judge? For that matter, who are any of us to judge?
*putters off in the Toyota*
*putters off in the Toyota*
for me, i would much rather spend $20-$30 on a clone that i can beat around and not be too ...... if i drop it, and it gets banged up. it would be impossible for me to care less about flash. all i want is my carto to heat up as its supposed to,when i hit the switch...period..and i want a tough PV that works. i truly couldnt give less of a toss about engravings or serial numbers or some super blend of the lastest unobtanium metals being used. its a battery and a connection. its not exactly high tech. i considered getting a high(ish) end mech, but why? i took up vaping to save money that i wasting on smokes, not to spend the same amount, sometimes more of the latest flashy mech or VV/VW device.
with that said, the K100 i picked is outstanding. one of the toughest mods i have messed with. and i have one of the V3 sentinel clones on its way. if it works, great, if not, then im only out $18 and it will give me something to fiddle with to see if it can be improved upon. i like doing that.really have no moral dilemma about either purchases. in one way or another, all mods are pretty much using copied designs if we are going to be completely honest with ourselves, so if you want a clone, get a clone. if you want the real thing, then get it. if i could afford a decent lathe in japan, i would say screw all of the companies and make my own mod. and, it would probably look much like any number of mods out there. there is always going be a niche market for the high end stuff(proof is how many people walk around with gaudy azzed louis vitton crap on) so the makers of the real stuff shouldnt worry too much. you make very limited runs of the super expensive mods, and you are always sold out of them, so i wouldnt worry about the clone market much. you never intended on supplying to the mass market in the first place. just my .2 cents...
with that said, the K100 i picked is outstanding. one of the toughest mods i have messed with. and i have one of the V3 sentinel clones on its way. if it works, great, if not, then im only out $18 and it will give me something to fiddle with to see if it can be improved upon. i like doing that.really have no moral dilemma about either purchases. in one way or another, all mods are pretty much using copied designs if we are going to be completely honest with ourselves, so if you want a clone, get a clone. if you want the real thing, then get it. if i could afford a decent lathe in japan, i would say screw all of the companies and make my own mod. and, it would probably look much like any number of mods out there. there is always going be a niche market for the high end stuff(proof is how many people walk around with gaudy azzed louis vitton crap on) so the makers of the real stuff shouldnt worry too much. you make very limited runs of the super expensive mods, and you are always sold out of them, so i wouldnt worry about the clone market much. you never intended on supplying to the mass market in the first place. just my .2 cents...
Bottom line is buy what you like or fits your budget. It's all about what's important to the individual. Same can be said about just about anything. Clothes, shoes, purses, cars, you name it. Just buy what you like or can afford that fits your needs. Pretty simple actually.
A ferrari is a LOT different from a honda civic, not just in the looks department, but in performance, comfort, design, material, etc. Performance AND Looks are what separate higher-end cars. Not just better materials. we are dealing with mechanical mods which have no circuitry, very little to really improve upon in terms of PERFORMANCE.
I figure the difference between the original and the clones is: On the outside (and interior too), one is a ferrari and the other is a honda civic, but both have the same engine under the hood. Who the hell would by a ferrari just for the looks and how comfortable it is to seat in, if it's got nothing remarkable in terms of performance?
I figure the difference between the original and the clones is: On the outside (and interior too), one is a ferrari and the other is a honda civic, but both have the same engine under the hood. Who the hell would by a ferrari just for the looks and how comfortable it is to seat in, if it's got nothing remarkable in terms of performance?
Personally, I think it's wrong to classify mods into only two categories. I think we need to view them on an individual basis, because each mod will perform differently. I have a 230 dollar mod that outperforms a 200 dollar mod... that same 200 dollar mod was also outperformed by a Smoktech Telescope. The first thing that attracts you to a specific mod is looks, but what holds you is personality, and you end up not caring about worth. Whether that happens with a 25 dollar mod, or a 230 dollar mod is moot, because it's your individual experience, and should not be open to judgment from others.
Thevyrus, just wanted to write ya and give you my own personal experience. I've been doing this a LONG time, vaping that is. I've used just about every type of mod out there. Think I still have a screw driver laying around here somewhere. Here is my and only my personal view. I think any long shiney tube or box hangin out of your face is kinda funny lookin to start with, whether its 1000$ or 10$. With that said, it stopped me from smoking and I'm great full. It seems like your thread got more into the " what should I buy" rather then "performance difference". For me when it comes to performance there's a lot of high price vs. clones that I can't tell a difference on. I'm sure if I busted out all my measuring equipment I'd be able to see a diff, but as far as vape I just can't tell. Take your vamo for instance. I have a provari and a vamo, I get the same great feeling out of both of them without getting into the high end vs. low. I also have an EA and a china gg.. Guess what? With my coils in the same atty... Nope both are awesome! Only thing I did was take 2 mins and sand off the plate on the china. So.. I can see and appreciate the collector aspect of this hobby of ours but I also think and thank the people who make everything available to the masses. I for one would be on stinkies again if all I could use was an ego. So I give props to the designers who put in the hard work making those fancy mods that I've always drooled over. There will always be a market, but I do like the "clones" also. I can drop um, scratch um, whack my kids with um, and keep my wife at bay with um and not have to worry to much. The high end stuff is for you and you alone I don't think I've ever had anyone say wow! That's an awesome vape machine you got there! But to me it's pretty!
Anyway, there may be a a small difference in performance but like I said, for me, I can't really tell. If I build a good coil it's all relative. There is something to say for customer service though. If your gonna spend 200$ if BETTER come with damn good service. If it cost 17$ who gives a sh!te? Once again that's just me. So good luck in your hunt. Take those mechs you got on order build some kick@ss coils and I bet you'll love um, if you do find a pretty high end one and go with it, or not. Spend your money how you like and do what makes you feel good. You will always be happy this way.
Cheers my friend!
Anyway, there may be a a small difference in performance but like I said, for me, I can't really tell. If I build a good coil it's all relative. There is something to say for customer service though. If your gonna spend 200$ if BETTER come with damn good service. If it cost 17$ who gives a sh!te? Once again that's just me. So good luck in your hunt. Take those mechs you got on order build some kick@ss coils and I bet you'll love um, if you do find a pretty high end one and go with it, or not. Spend your money how you like and do what makes you feel good. You will always be happy this way.
Cheers my friend!
To be honest, vaping has been such a new change in my life where I know that I may do this for the long run. Why not spend something $100 plus on a mod when you know your going to be using it everyday. I might as well buy something with quality, build and performance so that there wouldn't be any problems.
That's a good idea chuck, it's what I did in 09. I used a lot of cheap crap. Decided that if this is really gonna work for me I'll get something nice, so I got a provari I actually still have it and it works great. In 09 there wasn't much selection in way of lower priced stuff though and as of right now, you can get a pretty nice good lookin mod for under 50$. But I do agree with you if you can afford it why not?
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