Why Vapers are getting a BAD NAME.

[Anjaffm]

Twisting again.
As usual.

Can you or can you not reply to this question, dear resident anti?

edit:
still twisting with your edit, dear resident anti

Like a snake in the grass *sweet smile*

Here is the question again:

One last question for the "don't vape where you can't smoke" crowd here. What do you tell the vaper in San Rafael? That he can't vape in his home because of the smoking ban there? Seriously?!!!??? Or do you tell him it's time for a little bit of civil disobedience even though that might undermine your entire position....?

 

[zoiDman]

Twisting again.
As usual.

Can you or can you not reply to this question, dear resident anti?

Sounds like You are one doing the Twisting My Dear.

How is this Ordinance going to be Enforced?

And are e-Cigarettes included in it?

But you know the Answers as well as I do. It can't be Effectively Enforced.

Pass anything you want. If it can't be Enforced, it is Meaningless.

 

[LDS714]

Sounds like You are one doing the Twisting My Dear.

How is this Ordinance going to be Enforced?

And are e-Cigarettes included in it?

But you know the Answers as well as I do. It can't be Effectively Enforced.

Pass anything you want. If it can't be Enforced, it is Meaningless.

The bigger question is, "how is it that such a law even comes to be on the books?"

I gotta disagree - stop passing stupid laws. Legislators shouldn't legislate out of boredom or for social engineering. "Set my people free!"

 

[Anjaffm]

And another attempt to twist out of replying to a simple question.
The usual method. *yawn*

The question is still unanswered:

One last question for the "don't vape where you can't smoke" crowd here. What do you tell the vaper in San Rafael? That he can't vape in his home because of the smoking ban there? Seriously?!!!??? Or do you tell him it's time for a little bit of civil disobedience even though that might undermine your entire position....?

 

[zoiDman]

And another attempt to twist out of replying to a simple question.
The usual method. *yawn*

The question is still unanswered:

Maybe if you would post the Part that says a Person Can't Not use an e-Cigarette in their Common Walled Dwelling it would Help?

 

[p.opus]

Sounds like You are one doing the Twisting My Dear.

How is this Ordinance going to be Enforced?

And are e-Cigarettes included in it?

But you know the Answers as well as I do. It can't be Effectively Enforced.

Pass anything you want. If it can't be Enforced, it is Meaningless.

That's not what is being discussed. The whole discussion point of this entire thread was the belief that people should NOT vape where smoking is banned. Period. Not about enforcement, not about whether or not e-cigs are included in the ban. (Which by the way, I imagine is not far behind....)

I have said over and over again I feel you should be able to vape where e-cigs are not specifically banned, including areas where smoking is. And people have told me that it is rude behavior and gives Vapers a bad name.

So here is the scenario. In San Rafael, you are not allowed to smoke in your home if you share the wall with another residence. According to the logic in this discussion, then vapers should respect the ban and not vape in their own home because neighbors may mistake it for smoking or it's rude.

That's what we are discussing, and that folks is eventually where this road leads to, unless we all fight together to normalize vaping. Yes, we can all "stealth" vape and "break the law". I prefer not to, especially when I'm dealing with raising children and dealing with the importance of being a law abiding citizen.

"Daddy? How come you use your e-cig in the house when my teacher says that those are not allowed in apartments and we live in an apartment?"

"Well, dear, because they can't enforce it...."

 

[Jay-dub]

Well well well, our resident anti-vaper and his side kick have again happily derailed a thread.
Congrats, sweetpeas!
Yeah.. it is all the fault of the vapers. What else is new, coming from that source.

Oh by the way, how much do you get paid for doing what you do?
Yes, yes, it might be fun for a while to be contrary. Like joining a vegan forum and advocating the consumption of meat in each and every thread about food. It might also be fun for a while to point out - at every possible opportunity - that vegan food is horribly unhealthy and that vegans are a bunch of silly nincompoops addicted to their way of life. Yes, yes, that might be entertaining. For a while.
But after a time, that gets old.
Financial interests now, those are another matter. Are they not? *sweet smile*

I'd like you to please keep talking.

 

[Anjaffm]

Well said, p.opus. Very well said.

However, our dear resident anti - who knows very well what he usually advocates - is still twisting and turning and trying to get out of answering your simple question:

One last question for the "don't vape where you can't smoke" crowd here. What do you tell the vaper in San Rafael? That he can't vape in his home because of the smoking ban there? Seriously?!!!??? Or do you tell him it's time for a little bit of civil disobedience even though that might undermine your entire position....?

Like a snake in the grass.

How about it, Person who Capitalizes Many Words?

 

[zoiDman]

That's not what is being discussed. The whole discussion point of this entire thread was the belief that people should NOT vape where smoking is banned. Period. ....

Funny, I thought it was About Some Vapers Giving All Vapers Bad Name?

There are Many Examples of where e-Cigarette Use in Non-Smoking Areas is Perfectly Expectable.

If the Owner of a Business wants to Allow e-cigarette use on his Property, what is the Problem? If your place where you work Allows e-Cigarette use inside Builds, once again, I see No Problem.

 

[Jay-dub]

I know you're trying to bait people into sinking to your level. I've done that in the past but I'm not playing that game anymore. Instead, I challenge you to rise above your default. You know who you are. You have a whole thread about yourselves.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ussion/527929-im-antz-youre-antz-kiss-me.html

 

[zoiDman]

Well said, p.opus. Very well said.

However, our dear resident anti - who knows very well what he usually advocates - is still twisting and turning and trying to get out of answering your simple question:

Like a snake in the grass.

How about it, Person who Capitalizes Many Words?

Still waiting.

Maybe if you would post the Part that says a Person Can't Not use an e-Cigarette in their Common Walled Dwelling it would Help?

 

[Anjaffm]

Hm...

There are Many Examples of where e-Cigarette Use in Non-Smoking Areas is Perfectly Expectable.

Expectable. = to be expected?

That is not a reply to the question:

One last question for the "don't vape where you can't smoke" crowd here. What do you tell the vaper in San Rafael? That he can't vape in his home because of the smoking ban there? Seriously?!!!??? Or do you tell him it's time for a little bit of civil disobedience even though that might undermine your entire position....?

And no use trying to turn the tables, Mr. Capitalizes what He Wants To.
Nice try though. I would give it a 1 on a scale of 1 to 10. *sweet smile*

I am still waiting for the answer.

 

[zoiDman]

Hm...



Expectable. = to be expected?

That is not a reply to the question:



And no use trying to turn the tables, Mr. Capitalizes what He Wants To.
Nice try though. I would give it a 1 on a scale of 1 to 10

I think there is No Way to keep this Record from Skipping, so...

"One last question for the "don't vape where you can't smoke" crowd here. What do you tell the vaper in San Rafael? That he can't vape in his home because of the smoking ban there? Seriously?!!!??? Or do you tell him it's time for a little bit of civil disobedience even though that might undermine your entire position....?"

I would tell that San Rafael Vaper that until they can Show Me where it says that they Can Not use an e-Cigarette in their Common Walled Dwelling, that this Ordinance Does Not Apply to Them. So Vape On.

There, did that get the Needle out of that Groove?

 

[Jay-dub]

I find it hilarious that you have no qualms about turning on members of your own community because they don't live up to a certain "ideal". Wonder where I've seen that plot played out before...

 

[Anjaffm]

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"One last question for the "don't vape where you can't smoke" crowd here. What do you tell the vaper in San Rafael? That he can't vape in his home because of the smoking ban there? Seriously?!!!??? Or do you tell him it's time for a little bit of civil disobedience even though that might undermine your entire position....?"

I would tell that San Rafael Vaper that until they can Show Me where it says that they Can Not use an e-Cigarette in their Common Walled Dwelling, that this Ordinance Does Not Apply to Them. So Vape On.

Thank you very much.
Now that wasn't so hard, was it? *smiles*

 

[zoiDman]

Thank you very much.
Now that wasn't so hard, was it? *smiles*

You are a Something Else all Together.

I'll leave you and the People who Follow Your Views to Finish this Thread.

 

[p.opus]

My point is, I think same as OP, if you can't smoke there, don't vape there. Period.

To me, if you're in an area where you wouldn't smoke an analog...then keep that level of consideration and don't vape. Just because you "can" and it's not harmful, doesn't mean you "should". But that's just me. Not judging.

My whole take on the vaping thing is vape where smoking is allowed and if it is not allowed there then go outside and change the way people look at you I have converted more people blowing clouds outside... remember the golden rule too always have a spare drip tip for them to try with..

Here's the thing tho. Vape looks like smoke when exhaled. At least until it dissipates. Do you expect every store owner, bar tender, secretary or patient in a waiting room to start conducting an investigation as to the source of this cloud every time one is exhaled? Is it fair to expect that of people? No. Just don't vape where smoking is not allowed.

I really do not like posting in some one else's thread because they start calling me out, but I agree with you 100 percent. I think no-one should vape where you cannot smoke. All these vapers are doing is giving the powers that be more ammunition to use against vaping. I actually read somewhere that someone was vaping on a plane. How dangerous is that? Tell it like it is, but of course you will be bashed for it.

Vapers are some of the most intolerant people I have ever met on this forum...You can almost be assured that this thread will be closed which is sad.

Just a couple of comments from folks who's logic would lead them to tell the San Rafael vaper to not vape in his own home..

This is the logic I'm fighting.....

 

[Anjaffm]

You are a Something Else all Together.

Thank you very much for the lovely compliment. I appreciate it.

 

[zoiDman]

Just a couple of comments from folks who's logic would lead them to tell the San Rafael vaper to not vape in his own home..

This is the logic I'm fighting.....

I think you are Kinda making a Big Leap when you go From what people say about Vaping in Public to Vaping Inside their Own Home.

I also think that you are Putting Words in their Mouths that might Not be True. That would be, as another members says, "Misrepresenting their Views".

 

[Anjaffm]

I'll leave you and the People who Follow Your Views to Finish this Thread.

Oh.
Can't resist jumping in again now, eh?
Well, have fun. I received the reply that I requested. That is good enough for me. *sweet smile*