Why Vapers are getting a BAD NAME.

[xICooRsYIx]

I get where your coming from where its being a doctors office with infants around but its not like she was blowing it directly at them.

I get more upset when bartenders/bouncers tell me im not allowed to use mine in the building.

Take all that conflict and take it out at the places that deserve it!

-xICooRsYIx

 

[sdennislee]

You still think it's smoking, and you still think it should be treated like smoking. But it's not smoking. It doesn't have the same health issues, or the smell.

I don't care for the way the lady did it in your story. A pediatricians office is out of line, IMO. But as long as you think of it as "You're smoking, go away!" then it's really hard to take you serious.

What he said, yep

 

[gamebeatter]

My whole take on the vaping thing is vape where smoking is allowed and if it is not allowed there then go outside and change the way people look at you I have converted more people blowing clouds outside... remember the golden rule too always have a spare drip tip for them to try with..

 

[Baldr]

My whole take on the vaping thing is vape where smoking is allowed and if it is not allowed there then go outside and change the way people look at you I have converted more people blowing clouds outside... remember the golden rule too always have a spare drip tip for them to try with..

You want us to treat it like smoking. But it isn't smoking. I don't want to go stand out in the cold or the rain or the heat like the smokers do, and when I come back inside, I don't want to smell like a smoker.

If *vaping* isn't allowed there, that's one thing. If *smoking* isn't allowed there, that's a completely different thing.

You talk about "change the way people look at you", but you're treating it exactly like smoking, and you think of it as being the same as smoking, so anyone around you is going to think of it as being the same as smoking. Those of us who vape in public are the ones that will change perceptions.

Smoking is going to continue to be limited, more and more. As time goes on, there will be fewer and fewer places you are allowed to smoke. Since vaping dosn't smell like smoking, and doesn't have the same heath issues as smoking, it doesn't make sense to treat it like smoking.

 

[YoungMichael88]

Here's the thing tho. Vape looks like smoke when exhaled. At least until it dissipates. Do you expect every store owner, bar tender, secretary or patient in a waiting room to start conducting an investigation as to the source of this cloud every time one is exhaled? Is it fair to expect that of people? No. Just don't vape where smoking is not allowed.

 

[8dragon9]

Heres my two cents, op in the right thought could have confronted her quietly I suppose. Whether or not its allowed, when someone does not wish something like that done around their child, thats the end of it, you respect that. I would not ever blow vape in an infants face even if they determine vapor will make the child fart rainbows. There is a level of courtesy to be respected. I wont vape in a doctors office period. Whether it poses the same risks or not its simple courtesy

sent from the s4 of DOOOM

 

[Baldr]

Here's the thing tho. Vape looks like smoke when exhaled. At least until it dissipates. Do you expect every store owner, bar tender, secretary or patient in a waiting room to start conducting an investigation as to the source of this cloud every time one is exhaled? Is it fair to expect that of people? No. Just don't vape where smoking is not allowed.

Drinking soda from a cup looks exactly the same as drinking whiskey from a cup. Do you expect every store owner, secretary, or patient in a waiting room to conduct an investigation every time they see you drinking from a cup? Just don't drink anything where drinking alcohol is not allowed.

Sorry, that's a really silly argument.

One of the biggest complaints people have about smoking is the smell. It has a very strong, very distinctive smell. If people are smoking, they can't hide it. If you don't smell smoke, then your "investigation" is done.

Again, I'm not trying to support the lady vaping in a pediatricians office. I don't think that's a good idea. But "Treat it like it was a cigarette" is also a very bad idea.

 

[Jman8]

I started vaping about 6 months ago; I am now completely winged off "Analog" cigarettes. I am glad that there is a Safer alternative to smoking, but I always hear and see complaints about E cigarette users. Now I treat my E-Cig as I would if it were a "Analog", I don't smoke in Walmarts or in Restaurants, because even though it's not a "Real" cigarette I find it disrespectful to others around you (Who don't smoke).

Why do you find it disrespectful? Do you think there is some harm involved? Not sure?
Do you think it would be overboard to consider anyone breathing in public as disrespectful? I mean, we could all wear masks over our mouths which would filter the air we exhale. As no one knows for sure what people are exhaling when out and about, wouldn't the respectful thing be for all of us to be wearing these sort of masks?

Getting to my story, today I took my 2 month old son and daughter (Twins) for their check up and shots. Me and my girlfriend were sitting in the lobby with around 5 other people with their children and infants with them. I noticed this woman sitting across the room bringing her jacket pocket up to her mouth (trying to be sneaky I guess), and exhaled a big plume of Vapor.

I of course got extremely POed, and said something to the woman, how it was disrespectful with all these Infants sitting within 10 feet of her "Vaping".

I just think it's crazy how disrespectful some people get with the whole "It's not a real cigarette, so I can smoke it when and where I want".

What is the harm, as you understand it, that would come to an infant in the same room as a person exhaling vapor? Do you feel distance between the mouth of the vaper and the nostrils of the infant would make any difference, or do you think that doesn't matter, and that just the idea of it is disrespectful? If so, why?

With all that said, if you found it extremely bothersome, then saying something to the person that is engaging in the activity is okay, I guess. But might also be considered disrespectful from their perspective.

My take is that vaping indoors in public is not inherently disrespectful and I enjoy challenging fellow vapers who conclude otherwise. I think the situation does matter, but as I've been in health clinic waiting areas and such in last few months, I can report not having to take a puff in the waiting room. I advocate for openly vaping everywhere, with respect. For me, personally, I probably wouldn't do it in a crowded space indoors, but then again I might. I'd likely go to the bathroom if wait was too long. As that hasn't happened, I just decided to wait until I got to doctor's office and when alone in that room, took a puff, or two. So far, I'm batting 1.000 in those circumstances and feeling confident that will continue. In a Walmart sized building, I can easily find several places where no fellow customer will notice if I take a puff, or two. And I've been in that type of place and just vaped like I belonged there. Again, still batting 1.000 in not receiving complaints.

But here's the place where some will claim, they may not say it to your face and will instead say it to their local politician or store manager, or whatever. Can't say there's an easy answer to this that will work for all people as there are umpteen dozen things people can / will complain about when out and about. Plus our opposition (the anti-vapers, aka ANTZ) isn't waiting for that, and history of vaping clearly shows this. Undeniably shows this. You can pretend otherwise on a forum, but those who care about the politics and have been in the game longer than most, know of what I speak. It isn't the openly respectful indoor vaper that will be the undoing of eCigs in public. It'll be the rhetoric and underhanded antics of the ANTZ side of the equation that could be the undoing, especially if fellow vapers are asleep at the wheel when it comes to local politics and national policies around eCigs/vaping.

 

[zanedog]

Someone start a poll and we can vote on it? I did hear some people can have an allergic reaction to the vapor. Smoking in public will just piss some people off. There is no arguing with some people no matter how safe something might be. I have no time for that.

 

[Baldr]

Someone start a poll and we can vote on it? I did hear some people can have an allergic reaction to the vapor. Smoking in public will just piss some people off. There is no arguing with some people no matter how safe something might be. I have no time for that.

It's not smoking.

I vape in public every day, and nobody ever complains. You're just assuming that if you vape in public, you'll have to have an argument about it every time.

 

[YoungMichael88]

Drinking soda from a cup looks exactly the same as drinking whiskey from a cup. Do you expect every store owner, secretary, or patient in a waiting room to conduct an investigation every time they see you drinking from a cup? Just don't drink anything where drinking alcohol is not allowed.

Sorry, that's a really silly argument.

One of the biggest complaints people have about smoking is the smell. It has a very strong, very distinctive smell. If people are smoking, they can't hide it. If you don't smell smoke, then your "investigation" is done.

Again, I'm not trying to support the lady vaping in a pediatricians office. I don't think that's a good idea. But "Treat it like it was a cigarette" is also a very bad idea.

I think comparing apples and oranges like liquid contained to a cup and an unknown airborne substance that you have no choice but to breath in is what's silly here. It's not about what's legal or illegal. It's about respecting others. I'm not trying to start an argument but perhaps you missed my point. IF it was smoke, you would have to smell (inhale) some of it to know. By vaping in an indoor public area around people, you are forcing that possibility on someone. They either leave or breath in the unknown. A man with a cup is not pouring it down your throat without consent.

 

[omyeyes]

A friend of mine has cancer and I take him to get infusions once a month that lasts about 3 hours. It's a large room with lots of recliners and cancer patients sitting around, all hooked up to IV's. I would not dream of vaping or stealth vaping in there.

A little courtesy and respect goes a long way and the younger generation does not seem to have any courtesy or respect.
They all just do what they want to do, whatever, wherever. I think they call it "NO FEAR."

 

[Myk]

My whole take on the vaping thing is vape where smoking is allowed and if it is not allowed there then go outside and change the way people look at you I have converted more people blowing clouds outside... remember the golden rule too always have a spare drip tip for them to try with..

Here's the thing tho. Vape looks like smoke when exhaled. At least until it dissipates. Do you expect every store owner, bar tender, secretary or patient in a waiting room to start conducting an investigation as to the source of this cloud every time one is exhaled? Is it fair to expect that of people? No. Just don't vape where smoking is not allowed.

Since you both have the same view:
Do you realize how many fewer vapers there would be if everyone did that?
Do you realize why some of us are fighting against laws requiring exactly what you impose on yourselves?

I don't care if you want to self-flagellate because you still see yourselves as lesser humans than non-smokers but don't pass it off on me.
If someone wants to not allow vaping on their property I'll respect that, I will try to avoid their property but I will respect their rules.
If someone wants me to not vape near them in an enclosed area and they're nice about it and their request is reasonable I'll respect that.
But if I have to treat vaping exactly like smoking everywhere I go I'm just going to smoke.

You really need to come to grips with the fact that vaping is not smoking.

 

[Myk]

A friend of mine has cancer and I take him to get infusions once a month that lasts about 3 hours. It's a large room with lots of recliners and cancer patients sitting around, all hooked up to IV's. I would not dream of vaping or stealth vaping in there.

A little courtesy and respect goes a long way and the younger generation does not seem to have any courtesy or respect.
They all just do what they want to do, whatever, wherever. I think they call it "NO FEAR."

Actually I'm looking to be in that same room eventually. If it comes to that I'll be able to not use nicotine. I'll have no problem vaping. The hospital does have a no ecig policy so I'll have to stealth vape but prove whether I'm inhaling vapor or just flavor off the coil without firing (which I did freely in the ER). Sure you can smell just like you can smell someone chewing gum or eating candy.
If I can't even put an ecig that looks more like a flashlight than a cigarette to my mouth than I want all those people getting radiation and poisons pumped into their veins to go outside because "I just don't know what's in them".

And as far as younger, I doubt it, at least not by far. Maybe it's not an age thing as much as it's some people have been brainwashed into hating themselves as much as the ANTZ do.

 

[LDS714]

All this talk about respect.

When did it become a one-way street?

 

[Jman8]

By vaping in an indoor public area around people, you are forcing that possibility on someone. They either leave or breath in the unknown. A man with a cup is not pouring it down your throat without consent.

And again, when you exhale anything (vaper or not) you are forcing the possibility on others to inhale what you just exhaled. They either leave or breath in the unknown.

With vapor, it is just made visible what is being exhaled. With my devices, it dissipates very rapidly. I reckon that's the same for 'normal' exhaling by fellow humans. Yet, in elevators we seem to tolerate the idea that 15 people can stand in a room that is 5 x 5 ft, and live to survive another day even while we have no way of knowing what others are exhaling (i.e. germs, viruses, cooties).

In OP, it is 'woman sitting across the room' that we are dealing with as example on this thread. If that is anything more than 5 feet, I would say there is really no reason to be concerned unless one is hyper-sensitive and/or playing that card.

Let's say I am allergic to peanuts to the degree of just the smell causes me to have an episode. And someone is vaping some peanut flavored vape. On an elevator, possibly a big deal, though maybe not, but possible. In a room that is 15 x 10 feet, with decent ventilation and they are sitting 7 feet from me, then I would say it is non issue. Or as much of an issue as someone who ate peanuts sometime that same day before arriving to that space and chose to sit 7 feet away from me. Now, what if 2 people in that space had peanuts that day. Or more? What then? Or what if no one had peanuts, but I'm sure I can smell it somewhere in the air? What are we going to do to protect my rights as one who is allergic to peanuts and I'm sure I can smell it in the space I am in? Or the other guy sitting next to me that is hyper sensitive to smell of coffee and can swear she smells that odor in the air?

If I'm sitting in a room vaping, and there are 20 empty seats around, but someone comes and sits right next to me, and then complains that I'm vaping in an enclosed space, who's the person being disrespectful in that situation?

 

[Uma]

This is yet another example of why I'm so mad at the ANTZ. Instead of lobbying against the right to not smoke, they should be hailing vaping by offering solutions, promoting genuine studies, & compassion. How, when, why to stealth vape. Stealth vaping signs. Flooding the media with genuine studies like the Drexel study, the full lancet study, Dr. Netzkin's letters, Dr. Farsalinos studies, Dr. Ross's input, Father Jack Kierney's videos, and so on. There is no need for fear & anger. The ALA should be handing out pamphlets on etiquette, class schedules when expert Vapers will be on hand to guide newbies with their gear, etiquette, hygiene, safety, etc..
Gentle persuasion overrides bullish behavior any day.

In other words, I agree with Rocket in the first few comments in this thread.

 

[Uma]

A friend of mine has cancer and I take him to get infusions once a month that lasts about 3 hours. It's a large room with lots of recliners and cancer patients sitting around, all hooked up to IV's. I would not dream of vaping or stealth vaping in there.

A little courtesy and respect goes a long way and the younger generation does not seem to have any courtesy or respect.
They all just do what they want to do, whatever, wherever. I think they call it "NO FEAR."

I'm the opposite. I would ask if they'd mind if I stealth vaped. Chances are at least a few would be happy that I quit smoking, & quite possibly a few others would be curious enough to ask questions about it.
Just because they have cancer does not mean they can't wait to get the hell out of there so they can light one up.

 

[Ohms Lawbreaker]

Never been one to go looking for a fight, or expect to find one just by going out. If an ounce of stealth can get me my vape-nic-fix in public so I can get home faster, skip the debates with strangers, to where I can sit comfortably and tell everyone else to go to hell, so much the better. Too old to change the world, good luck with that, kids. In fact I don't even have to bother telling anyone to go to hell at home. Except my wife once or twice a year.

 

[YoungMichael88]

Since you both have the same view:
Do you realize how many fewer vapers there would be if everyone did that?
Do you realize why some of us are fighting against laws requiring exactly what you impose on yourselves?

I don't care if you want to self-flagellate because you still see yourselves as lesser humans than non-smokers but don't pass it off on me.
If someone wants to not allow vaping on their property I'll respect that, I will try to avoid their property but I will respect their rules.
If someone wants me to not vape near them in an enclosed area and they're nice about it and their request is reasonable I'll respect that.
But if I have to treat vaping exactly like smoking everywhere I go I'm just going to smoke.

You really need to come to grips with the fact that vaping is not smoking.

Well, I don't smoke or use nicotine at all so I definitely don't consider myself a lesser human nor would I consider anyone else a lesser human who does. I do realize that vaping is not smoking. I have long come to grips with that, however I recognize that others haven't and it still bothers some people who don't know that yet. If everyone ignored these people, it could end up being looked at in a more negative light, vapers may be labelled inconsiderate and vaping may even become banned in these areas. It's still relatively new. I err on the side if patience. I too would love to see wide spread acceptance, but I don't think this can be achieved by exposing people to something they don't yet understand in such an 'in your face, deal with it' kind of way. I say give it time. This is just my opinion of course and our goals in the end are the same.