Why Vapers are getting a BAD NAME.

[Jman8]

It's Funny how you talk about "Respect" and Abiding by a Business Owners ability to Dis-Allow vaping in This Thread. But you Post things like this in All the Other Threads.

Where have I spoke to abiding by a business owners ability to not allow vaping? I've routinely said to question why that is in effect, and determine if it is based on ignorance (cause it looks like smoking, therefore is same as smoking) or arrogance (because I said so). Then followed this up with saying mutual respect has been taken off the table by such a businessperson.

I've also said that even if it is banned indoors, I am still going to vape there openly and respectfully and not get caught.

You'd be hard pressed to find a post that I've written that says to respect (aka roll over) on a business owner's decision to not allow vaping in their place.

Kinda brings into question your comprehension.

 

[Jay-dub]

Has anyone here actually continued to vape despite requests not to? How'd that play out? Do you think it won some bystanders over? I've vaped where I'm supposedly not supposed to (Non-smoking areas). But, I made sure to do it out of sight of staff I thought looked more than likely to be sticklers. Secondary staff tends to just express curiosity, or appears to conclude that addressing me is above their pay grade. I forget I'm 6"2', which isn't huge, but may not always make me seem approachable. Maybe if I always wore tassels on my nipples...

 

[zoiDman]

Where have I spoke to abiding by a business owners ability to not allow vaping? I've routinely said to question why that is in effect, and determine if it is based on ignorance (cause it looks like smoking, therefore is same as smoking) or arrogance (because I said so). Then followed this up with saying mutual respect has been taken off the table by such a businessperson.

I've also said that even if it is banned indoors, I am still going to vape there openly and respectfully and not get caught.

You'd be hard pressed to find a post that I've written that says to respect (aka roll over) on a business owner's decision to not allow vaping in their place.

Kinda brings into question your comprehension.

My Mistake.

Somewhere I got it in My Head that you believed that Business Owners should be able to Not Allow Vaping on their Premises. And that You would Abide by it.

Thank you for Clearing that Up.

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You'd be hard pressed to find a post that I've written that says to respect (aka roll over) on a business owner's decision to not allow vaping in their place.

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[Jman8]

My Mistake.

Good, then my sincerity is back intact.

Somewhere I got it in My Head that you believed that Business Owners should be able to Not Allow Vaping on their Premises. And that You would Abide by it.

Thank you for Clearing that Up.

I think business owners / property managers are able to set policy to not allow vaping on their premises. And I think that ought to be questioned as to why that policy is in place.

IMO, it is no different than if government official sets policy to not allow vaping on the premises. What is the reasoning behind the policy?

I think we've covered this before, in this thread, but if a policy was in place to not allow vaping outdoors in a public area that you frequent (i.e. park or beach) how would you proceed in that situation? For sake of making the point I'm hoping to make, please assume you are in this location for 3 hours or more on a particular day, and that you have your vape gear with you. And again this is a place that is entirely outdoors.

 

[zoiDman]

Good, then my sincerity is back intact.

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Oh Yeah... I think Everyone is now Very Clear how you feel about Business Owners Rights to Not Allow Vaping in their Place of Business. And just How Much you Respect them.

 

[Jay-dub]

I think business owners / property managers are able to set policy to not allow vaping on their premises. And I think that ought to be questioned as to why that policy is in place.

If you told me not to do something on your property, and I questioned your decision, would you take my argument into consideration or do what most people do and use whatever leverage they have to subjugate you to their will? And, if you really would take my argument into earnest consideration, do you think that's the norm?

 

[Myk]

I stand corrected. But you are not the average vaper. If someone like you explained the situation it would be entirely different (in my perspective at least). The general public is not so forgiving unfortunately. Vaping has a ways to go, especially when you still have people upset about something as harmless & necessary as breast feeding...

As for the strawberry, I've never smelled anything (natural) as strong. You know how some liquids can be, perfume like.

Once you been around here a while you'll find more than you'd expect diagnosed after quitting. I'm very open about it because I thought it was a crock until it happened to me and want people to know GI problems after quitting is cause to be checked.
There are others self-medicating for things like ADHD. I think the majority of smokers are unknowingly self-medicating for something, especially now and that is why we've hit the unbreakable 20% for the last decade.

I usually avoid vaping when out, 1 hour is no big deal. Tables were turned and I was recently the driver in the waiting room, after 2 hours I started getting worried, but it was a place I know includes ecigs in their tobacco policy so I avoided it and chewed the person out for sticking me with their coat and wallet so I couldn't go outside.

I completely understand about breast feeding vapor fears

I forget that most people aren't around fresh fruit. When I get cherry splatters from pitting I constantly think I have cherry in my tank and get a different flavor than I expect (unless I have cherry in my tank). You'd smell my strawberry shortcake (the food not the liquid) a table away.
I noticed "perfume" when it was a group at a small vape shop with mixed flavors. That's when I decided I could be more forgiving of a business banning it.

 

[Myk]

If you told me not to do something on your property, and I questioned your decision, would you take my argument into consideration or do what most people do and use whatever leverage they have to subjugate you to their will? And, if you really would take my argument into earnest consideration, do you think that's the norm?

You come into my house wearing a red dress. I tell you no red dresses. You make your case for the red dress. I make my case that as long as the red is in my field of view you can't wear your red dress. We come to an agreement that I can wear your red dress so you can enjoy its looks or you can wear a sack over the red dress.

That's the only thing I can think of that I'm biased against. Otherwise I'd be open for compromise or I could "deal with it".
I can't stand the smell of broccoli yet my roommate is allowed to cook it just like I cook fish that he can't stand. One thing I've learned from not smoking is the world really stinks.

 

[DC2]

One thing I've learned from not smoking is the world really stinks.

Asparagus urine.

 

[Jman8]

Oh Yeah... I think Everyone is now Very Clear how you feel about Business Owners Rights to Not Allow Vaping in their Place of Business. And just How Much you Respect them.

Sorry that I don't respect ignorance or arrogance as you do. That you'd roll over on the eCig issue.

Never did answer the outdoors question I asked? Wonder why that is?

 

[Jman8]

If you told me not to do something on your property, and I questioned your decision, would you take my argument into consideration or do what most people do and use whatever leverage they have to subjugate you to their will?

I would take your argument into consideration. Especially if I cared if you and your friends would be coming back. I'd hope my reasoning for not allowing you to do the thing you want to do is not based on ignorance nor makes me look like a discriminating douche.

And, if you really would take my argument into earnest consideration, do you think that's the norm?

When it comes to showing respect, yes.

 

[DC2]

If anyone tells me to stop vaping in a public park, or at the beach...
Not gonna happen.

I'd be more than happy to discuss it with them...
But my middle finger is poised and ready if those discussions don't turn out properly.

 

[zoiDman]

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Never did answer the outdoors question I asked? Wonder why that is?

I don't Answer a Lot of your Questions.

Because it just Perpetuates the Endless Circle of replies with your Emotional Appeals. Like the "Roll Over" Litany you like to Lump All People into that Don't Share you Vape Everywhere view.

I think about Everything has been said in this Thread. By Both Sides.

 

[DC2]

Jman8....

I think your view of "vaping everywhere" might be a little over the top.
But I think it is good that you espouse that view and present it here on a regular basis.

It may be, in the end, the proper view scientifically.
But it may not be the proper view socially.

Although time will sort that whole mess out for us.
Even if what gets sorted out is a load of crap.


Nobody ever said that the average human is properly informed.
And that is, in essence, what we face.

 

[Jman8]

I don't Answer a Lot of your Questions.

Because it just....

Because you know you'd break the law and vape outdoors. Pretty darn certain you've already said you would, and pretty sure this goes against your indoors position, but you refuse to acknowledge this and will instead keep harping on about disrespect in a way that is precisely what gives vapers a bad name.

 

[DC2]

If Zoidman and Jman8 were both living in California, I would like to have you both over for dinner.
But as it is, maybe we need to plan a ski trip to Wisconsin.

 

[zoiDman]

Because you know you'd break the law and vape outdoors. Pretty darn certain you've already said you would, and pretty sure this goes against your indoors position, but you refuse to acknowledge this and will instead keep harping on about disrespect in a way that is precisely what gives vapers a bad name.

If you Know the Answer to a Question, why Waste the Bandwidth to ask it?

And can you Not see a Difference between Outdoor and Indoors?

Last Question. Do you want to Discuss Topics with people who have a Wide Range of Views? Or do you Just Want to Argue with People who do Not Share your Vape Everywhere View?

 

[zoiDman]

If Zoidman and Jman8 were both living in California, I would like to have you both over for dinner.
But as it is, maybe we need to plan a ski trip to Wisconsin.

I'm sure Sooner than Later I will get the Car Pointed South and come down your way for Dinner.

BTW - Is it Raining right Now is SD? It is Coming Down pretty good in O.C.

 

[DC2]

I'm sure Sooner than Later I will get the Car Pointed South and come down your way for Dinner.

BTW - Is it Raining right Now is SD? It is Coming Down pretty good in O.C.

It's been raining big time here since last night.
And it's supposed to continue for a few more days, which is great.

We really need it, as I don't think it has rained here since November.
My wife thinks it's been no rain since October.

I have not decided yet whether I will defer to her or not.

 

[Jay-dub]

You come into my house wearing a red dress. I tell you no red dresses. You make your case for the red dress. I make my case that as long as the red is in my field of view you can't wear your red dress. We come to an agreement that I can wear your red dress so you can enjoy its looks or you can wear a sack over the red dress.

That's the only thing I can think of that I'm biased against. Otherwise I'd be open for compromise or I could "deal with it".
I can't stand the smell of broccoli yet my roommate is allowed to cook it just like I cook fish that he can't stand. One thing I've learned from not smoking is the world really stinks.

Are you telling me you're the norm? There must be a different culture here in Missouri. You're point doesn't matter. They'd make you do as they say until you show that you respect the fact that they have final say on their property. Once you show that you can follow their rules, then they might take your argument into consideration. But first, you'd have to show that you will respect and obey the rules on their property regardless of how legitimate your argument may be.

You know what, I'm waiting for the youtube videos. Come try to talk a local good 'ol boy into doing what you want on their property because their ignorant. I'd subscribe to your channel.