Why would you buy low mg e-liquid?

[The Wiz]

I agree with Wiz. I've tried DIY... quite frankly I think it sucks.

First of all, I only vape tobacco flavors, with the exception of coffee flavor. I've tried fruity and candy flavors... can't stand them.
The worst issue I had with DIY is the coloring. Almost all flavorings have food coloring in them. Food coloring burns on the atty coil, resulting in clogged atomizer and it really tastes like crap.

If I could get the same flavorings that the Chinese use, like 555, ry4, Hilton, etc. I certainly would DIY again.

Until then, I'll just buy it already made.

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CT....My problem has always been getting a throat-hit with the stuff I make...other than the menthol..Nadda!!The Wiz!

 

[Flitzanu]

I agree with Wiz. I've tried DIY... quite frankly I think it sucks.

First of all, I only vape tobacco flavors, with the exception of coffee flavor. I've tried fruity and candy flavors... can't stand them.
The worst issue I had with DIY is the coloring. Almost all flavorings have high concentration of food coloring in them. Food coloring burns on the atty coil, resulting in fowled atomizers, and it really tastes like crap.

If I could get the same flavorings that the Chinese use, like 555, ry4, Hilton, etc. Flavorings void of food color. I certainly would DIY again.

Until then, I'll just buy it already made.

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the tobacco was one point i did forget to make, that no one can really "DIY" a tobacco flavor.

however i'm politely disagreeing on the "coloring" comment with DIY. not indicating that YOU didn't have an issue, but i've successfully used lorann flavorings with and without coloring, and have no issues. even been using the same atty for months now. and no, not in rotation, literally the same one.

and i don't think the highest concentration in the flavorings is the color, as it is always listed as the last ingredient, so it's the smallest. the highest concentration i'd hope is the flavor, followed by the liquid base (being PG in lorann).

really not trying to argue, as you're perfectly entitled to not want to DIY, but that statement just makes it sound terrible and like all we are doing is vaping food coloring

 

[zoester]

I agree w/aseery.

 

[Graverobber06]

It's not just about nicotine concentration in eLiquid. That's, I feel, more reflective of how much you used to smoke (or still do) and need to match your old nicotine levels. How often you vape is a better marker as most vapers use more often than they used to smoke, but generally get less nicotine per use than using analogs.
I'm not a doctor, but it's probably a better idea to take more doses of any drug at lower concentration more often than fewer doses at higher concentrations. Of course, there are some who like the nicotine high and that's cool too (provided they don't redline and need the paramedics).

 

[AshHole]

IMHO - The juice/nic level, DIY/premixed, cutting/flavor combos make this situation a personal preference and convenience issue.

For me I found that a ~24Mg nic level does me fine. At that level I don't chain vape, nor have analog urges. I like flavor, but just a hint. So for me I buy 24Mg (usually PG) flavored pre-made, and cut with up to 50% 24Mg VG unflavored juice. I get great vapor and my diluted hint of flavor.

My wife loves a heavy Kent flavor but needs a less nic than I do. Vapor amount doesn't thrill her. For her we mix 18-20Mg Kent PG with about 2 to 5% of VG zero-nic. But out of convenience, she will fill her carts with a bottle of Kent Mg and vape less - when she is in a hurry. (She isn't as picky as I am).

We don't get into the mathematics that would constipate Einstein, or worry that we are at an exact nic level - we go for taste and satisfaction.

For my "flavor experiments": I have turned into a little wild chemist - I start with a 36(or higher) mg unflavored VG, add flavorings and cut with zero-nic VG down to rough/acceptable nic levels - then adjust my flavoring if needed. I usually work with no more than 3ml at a time. I also have a set of attys for my flavor experiments to see if my concoctions will foul/gum up my works.

So my 2 pennies for the OP (BradleyT): AS already stated by everyone, no you haven't missed anything, if you remove the flavor aspect - In simplest form: Cutting "high nic juice" with a "cheaper clean VG/PG liquid" will provide you with more quantity of "acceptable nic level juice" at a lower price. Flavor concentration effects (if flavors are used) and convenience are whole other attributes that only you can decide upon.

Keep in mind, I am only going on 1 month of this, so I may be totally off base or wrong in others views - I am only stating my logic and findings! Reading posts was very educational for me, but until I tried cutting my flavors with Noflavor/high nic did I find my true love of vaping.

 

[Robert]

If someone would tell me exactly what flavors to put in RY4 so I can cut it down - I would..

For now I'm not messing with a flavor I love.

I mix same flavored juices of different strengths to get desired strength.

nhaler RY4 24 with nhaler RY4 HV 12mg makes a great 18mg RY4

 

[Porphy]

Alright, I gotta pipe up here. There is a LOT of mixed logic on "cutting" a juice. People here are going under the assumption that "cutting" means just adding PG/VG/Water to dilute a juice down to a lower nic content. IF you do that then a.) you will diminish the flavor and b.) you are cutting your juice badly.

Now, if you cut the juice using flavoring and PG/VG then, no, you will not lose flavor because you are compensating for it. I can fully understand people buying juice at lower nic content because they don't like making their own, that's fine, but for those saying that cutting a juice diminishes flavor, you are only experiencing diminished flavor because you are cutting the juice without forethought to the end result.

The only real quality you lose from cutting your liquid properly is the tingly "bite" that you get from nicotine. In fact some retail juices benefit in taste from cutting them with a higher quality flavoring. I know I've had to fix quite a few batches of "generic" juice to get a pleasant taste out of it.

EDIT: P.S.- and yes, you can find tobacco flavor for cutting your favorite tobacco flavored e-juices. There are a few threads on this site a lone that can point you in the right direction. Those will actually get you closer to a tobacco flavor than most e-juices offer, in fact, as most of what people are vaping as "tobacco" flavor is actually mixes of "nutty" flavors... and if you can't tell there's hazelnut flavoring in your generic "Marlb" juices then scrub your tongue down.

 

[Closet Toker]

Alright, I gotta pipe up here. There is a LOT of mixed logic on "cutting" a juice. People here are going under the assumption that "cutting" means just adding PG/VG/Water to dilute a juice down to a lower nic content. IF you do that then a.) you will diminish the flavor and b.) you are cutting your juice badly.

Now, if you cut the juice using flavoring and PG/VG then, no, you will not lose flavor because you are compensating for it. I can fully understand people buying juice at lower nic content because they don't like making their own, that's fine, but for those saying that cutting a juice diminishes flavor, you are only experiencing diminished flavor because you are cutting the juice without forethought to the end result.

The only real quality you lose from cutting your liquid properly is the tingly "bite" that you get from nicotine. In fact some retail juices benefit in taste from cutting them with a higher quality flavoring. I know I've had to fix quite a few batches of "generic" juice to get a pleasant taste out of it.

EDIT: P.S.- and yes, you can find tobacco flavor for cutting your favorite tobacco flavored e-juices. There are a few threads on this site a lone that can point you in the right direction. Those will actually get you closer to a tobacco flavor than most e-juices offer, in fact, as most of what people are vaping as "tobacco" flavor is actually mixes of "nutty" flavors... and if you can't tell there's hazelnut flavoring in your generic "Marlb" juices then scrub your tongue down.

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So you are saying, I can cut my 555, ry4, Hilton, Tab, Virginian, or my coffee flavor with Lorann's, BrickFord, or Capella flavorings and not alter the taste? Wow, I could only wish to be as talented as you.

I don't use Marlboro, or regular cigarette flavors. Therefore... no need for me to scrub my tongue.
Hazelnut? are you kidding?
Can anybody else here verify that their Marlboro tastes like Hazel nut, or resembles a Hazel Nut flavor?

Would, or does anybody reading this... throw in some pg with hazel Nut flavoring, and that Marlboro liquid tastes as good, or "the same"? I don't believe it.

The coffee flavor liquid I have from China is a very light yellowish color. The flavor is clean and tasty (and so is my atty). I tried making coffee flavor with Loran's coffee flavoring. The color was like molasses, and after a few vapes, the taste became disgusting... because of the heavy coloring. And my atomizer... well that looked like I poured mud water on it.
I even bought some "MR Bean" flavor from a DIY supplier here on the forum. The stuff was a nice light color. But the flavor was off, and very lacking. I more or less paid $15.00 for a 30ml bottle of PG!
Capella coffee flavoring?... yup, tried that also. Total crap. I could have brewed my own coffee here at home, and came up with the same disappointing flavor. Wasn't even close to the flavor of my Chinese liquid!
It disgusts me when I think of how much money I ...... away trying DIY.
I did learn one thing... I despise candy and fruity flavored e liquids.


I don't believe I've ever seen an e liquid from China that has a heavy dark color. Usually they are a light yellow/medium yellowish, or light brown color.
I am quite sure that all Chinese liquids are made without added food colorings. I believe they use "commercial flavorings", where as people on the forums here.... can only get "consumer" flavoring".

Just saying, for the flavors I vape... replicating those flavors with the quality I want, are impossible with DIY. I guess I'm too fussy.

I'm glad for you. You like DIY, I understand that.

Different strokes, for different folks.

Now go vape your cotton candy and bubble gum!

 

[BradleyT]

In the OP I was talking about unflavored juice. From reading on here and watching YouTube flavoring videos I was under the assumption that most people were DIY'ers who made their own flavors from scratch. But it seems that most find some pre-made flavor they like and don't try to create it on their own.

Now that I know you can get flavored liquid trial sizes for $3-5 that's cheap enough to give plenty of flavors a try to find something I like and not bother mixing it up myself.

 

[four2109]

What ever works for you BradleyT. That's the fun of it. There are no rules... yet.

 

[Kent C]

In the OP I was talking about unflavored juice. From reading on here and watching YouTube flavoring videos I was under the assumption that most people were DIY'ers who made their own flavors from scratch. But it seems that most find some pre-made flavor they like and don't try to create it on their own.

Now that I know you can get flavored liquid trial sizes for $3-5 that's cheap enough to give plenty of flavors a try to find something I like and not bother mixing it up myself.

One can do both. First find which flavors you like with the cheaper samples, then perhaps some bigger bottles of the ones you like but.... with the possibility of a ban you then have two choices basically - buy up a bunch of the premade stuff - that'll cost you some, or learn how to duplicate the flavors you like with DIY supplies. The cheapest is to first get the highest mg nic juice you can without endangering yourself ;-) then get the inexpensive PG or VG for blending and the relatively inexpensive flavoring. For longer shelf life, only make it up as you need it as the unflavored nic juice lasts longer without the flavoring. And your tastes might change if you flavor a big batch.....

 

[Puffmonkey]

Try leaving your unflavored juice in with some camel SNUS for a couple of hours, mmmm tasty. Way better than the regular Camel blend.

 

[martha1014]

I buy most of my flavors already mixed because I vape 36. I have ordered 48 and 60 mg. and tried making it. I have DIY flavors all over the house but I am yet to mix one that taste as good as the ones already premixed.

I admire those who can DIY and it turns out good.

 

[MickiO]

It seems to me that liquid price is based on the number of mL rather than the amount of nicotine (mg). So as long as the cutting material (VG/PG) is cheaper than the source (e-liquid) why wouldn't you always buy the strongest liquid available?

Am I missing something here? Maybe some people just don't like to cut their own so they're willing to pay extra?

It's true, it's a simple matter of convenience for some, and a choice for others, We all have our preferences to this or that,

I myself use 60mg to cut my mix down to 2mg, I'm gradually weining myself off nic, and bought the high nic to stretch it, but then again I also bought my own flavoring to add, however my hubby uses 18mg, so it saves us money. But that's only because I decided to try DIY.

But I ALSO bought a Gallon of VG, and I could also ask, why would a person buy small bottles of VG, when you can get it for $33 a Gallon, plus $13 shipping? Maybe it's a matter of convenience, or maybe some ppl don't want to mess with it and consider it a hastle, idk, maybe some are just testing VG, or flavors, etc...

Why does it matter, long as we're all not smoking any more?
Whatever works......maybe for some, smoking cigs might seem easier than DIY, ESPECIALLY for those who've just started. I know "I" for one, for sure didn't want to mess with all that, all I know is buying pre-made helped me quit smoking, and now that's it's been awhile, I decided to try mixing it myself.

But I have to admit, in the beginning, it seemed too hard and I was afraid to try it, I thought I had to know chemistry or something, lol, I didn't realise it was actually easy to do, and cheaper too!

Just as you yourself, probably didn't start out day one DIY.

And then there were times I only had x amount to spend and I had to wait until I could afford to buy DIY supplies, and such, just experimenting with e-cig's, flavors, etc.,

Just my 2¢