Why you need to practice both Battery AND Charger safety

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Racehorse

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Please understand this does not apply just to vaping devices, it can happen with cell phone chargers, etc. too.

I always plug my stuff into a heavy duty 3-prong surge protection unit/power strip that sits between my wall sockets and any charger I am using.

I was in a hurry, and also using a charger I have never used before that I had just gotten, and this is what happened as soon as I plugged it in---big flash/spark:

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It blew up the moment I plugged it in, thankfully my hand is okay and the circuit breakers in my house are working properly since this incident tripped them. But please understand, a spark that is strong enough to "soot"/blacken a wall receptacle can also start a house fire. It is an ignition source.

Electrician was out here, I wanted him to test the box where the socket is located, since obviously I didn't want to use a wall socket that was blackened and possibly shorted out. Thankfully, there are no shorts and no faulty wiring in my house. I also had him check all my other outlets w/a ground fault outlet tester, etc.

It was the charger itself that had a short. :( Please know that the brand was top notch, so is the vendor, and so is the ECF member I got it from, so I'm not entertaining any questions about those things. These items looked, for all practical purposes, like new. The "tines" of the A/C plug were a little loose, but I didn't check those til AFTER the blow-up.....again, I learned something and will do that next time.

Electrician said there are millions of chargers and power cords going out for cell phones, computers, ecigs, PDAs, etc. that sometimes stuff just wears out from being taken in and out of outlets, or just fails inherently at some point. He sees it all the time.


So, moral to story: practice battery safety but also practice charger safety. Always always plug your stuff into a separate receptacle and not into your actual wall socket. Make sure your surge protector / strip units are not old and keep them updated and tested. Also make sure you have updated, modern circuit breakers in your home. If you do not (I've been in a few places where people still have fuses, etc.) then plug stuff in outside and keep an eye on it.

Never plug anything into a loose-fitting wall receptacle and don't plug loose-fitting stuff into your receptacles. Always check your plugs and cords and if they feel unusually hot to the touch (not just slightly warm) there is a problem and it needs to be checked out. Make sure everything makes a nice tight connection.

Also, keep in mind that surge protectors don't last forever....once they take an actual hit (lightning etc.) they are not protecting anything anymore and need to be replaced. Sometimes the LED still shows protecting, but unless you can test this I wouldn't use it to protect anything I own. (spikes and surges are not the same as an actual hit.)


Also--- do not plug ANY USB chargers directly into your computer---- if you value your computer. :) (This goes without saying, but I will say it here anyway.) USB "powered" hubs are very cheap, I use them for my camera, cell phone, etc. (don't use the kind of usb hub that is powered by your computer port....get a usb hub that actually plugs into the wall and does not rely on your computer to draw it's power).

And finally, if a charger or battery isn't working as it should (not taking a charge as well, anything loose or jumpy, gettting too hot, etc.) please toss them. It is not worth saving a few bucks.

Any kind of corrosion etc. means humidity / water damage and time to buy new stuff. Keep your electronics well-maintained, whether that be an iPhone or a vaping device and accessories.

NEVER charge anything and then go to sleep. Don't even take a nap. Be in the area so you can keep an eye on your stuff. Do not fall asleep with your laptop in your lap, you ecig in your lap, your cell phone in your lap, or any kind of power supply box touching your person. Even if not charging. Stuff happens.


So----I just dropped a load of $$ for a licensed electrician to come out for damage caused by a $10 item LOL Not to mention a safety risk to my home and self. Just be careful, and if you experience what I did, spend the money to get a licensed professional out to check everything out. No excuses, this cuts into my gasoline budget, but I want to be safe.
 

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PS. I did let the maker of these know, also letting them know I was in no way holding them liable and that I was not upset in any way, just wanted to know if it would help anyone to have these back for testing and inspection, and they took me up on that.

So----many in the ecig industry really do CARE about us.

They certainly want to manufactuer and sell good devices that are safe to us.

I doubt there will be any knowledge gained from my particular items, since as the electrician said, it was just one of those failures whcih would be hard to trace, esp. since I didn't carry it new out of the factory. Even shipping and even handling things can damage them, etc.
 

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NEVER charge anything and then go to sleep. Don't even take a nap. Be in the area so you can keep an eye on your stuff. Do not fall asleep with your laptop in your lap, you ecig in your lap, your cell phone in your lap, or any kind of power supply box touching your person. Even if not charging. Stuff happens.
Many electrical devices, appliances, etc., etc. in a typical home can fail catastrophically at any time. Circuit breakers and other over current protective devices don't always work as you'd like to think they would. I've been in and out of the electrical industry for over 40 years. I still manage to sleep pretty well despite it all.
 

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If I worried over sleeping with things plugged in (e cig chargers or otherwise) I'd never sleep. Yes I've had things do the flashy, toast the socket thing (most recent was a space hater last winter.) but, it happens occasionally. Even had a batter backup/surge bar for my computer do it once. ANY electrical device CAN do that but, they don't do it often.

While it is wise to monitor a new plugged in device initially, I see know problem sleeping once you know the device is quality and does function properly.

I sleep with my e-cig batter charger and at least 6-7 other things plugged in every night. If I were going to worry about failures like this I'd have no air conditioning, no furnace, no coffee maker, no microwave, no fans, no electric blanket, no cook stove, washer, dryer, water heater.... well, you get the idea. Like most modern homes, a lot of it runs on electricity and, a lot of it stays connected to the power 24/7.
 

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Good advice

I've done electronics for 26 years and seen quite entertaining things. LiMn batteries blowing up, chargers blowing, Li-ion packs going bad and all batteries can create havoc. I use a Trippe-Lite Isobar surge/noise suppressor with 138V clamping voltage and it uses a 10 amp breaker with a 12 amp slow-blo fuse. Your batteries are only as good as the charger and good chargers pay for themselves by properly charging the batteries. My Sanyo Eneloop AA/AAA cells are over 5 years old and still have 85% capacity.

A decent charger for Li-Ions is the XTAR WP2II--slightly undercharges the cells for extra safety and the battery will have a longer life. Since I've blown up Li-Ions, I prefer not to use them for vaping (aim away from face) At the house, I use a USB passthrough connected to a Samsung 2 amp USB charger connected to the Isobar. My batteries can then be charged while I'm awake and checking emails etc with the passthrough.

I'm changing to a mech with a fuse disk, AW LiMn batteries and pyrex tanks. Since I've converted to vaping, might as well have the safest chemistry batteries I can find with decent chargers. I still keep vigilant with lithium style batteries though, didn't like it when I vented a lithium-ion battery from 15 feet away a few years back--won't like one venting in my face either.

Stay safe out there and enjoy those extra years vaping gives you!
 

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If I worried over sleeping with things plugged in (e cig chargers or otherwise) I'd never sleep. Yes I've had things do the flashy, toast the socket thing (most recent was a space hater last winter.) but, it happens occasionally. Even had a batter backup/surge bar for my computer do it once. ANY electrical device CAN do that but, they don't do it often.

While it is wise to monitor a new plugged in device initially, I see know problem sleeping once you know the device is quality and does function properly.

I sleep with my e-cig batter charger and at least 6-7 other things plugged in every night. If I were going to worry about failures like this I'd have no air conditioning, no furnace, no coffee maker, no microwave, no fans, no electric blanket, no cook stove, washer, dryer, water heater.... well, you get the idea. Like most modern homes, a lot of it runs on electricity and, a lot of it stays connected to the power 24/7.

Like you, I don't worry or lose sleep over this.....because I practice safety in my home. :)

Toasters and the TV are not lithium batteries.

It is up to you to decide not to practice battery / charger safety around lithium batteries, but hopefully others will not do like you do and leave ecig batteries plugged in while they are sleeping.

I don't know a single engineer who would recommend that. Sorry!

Irwink,
I also manage to sleep well at night, despite the fact that yes, any appliance can fail. I used to volunteer for various fire departments to go to visit the people who have to leave their homes due to house fires. So I am well aware of the stats on this.

However, Lithium battery stuff is a rather separate category for me, and should be for others.
 

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Irwink,
I also manage to sleep well at night, despite the fact that yes, any appliance can fail. I used to volunteer for various fire departments to go to visit the people who have to leave their homes due to house fires. So I am well aware of the stats on this.

However, Lithium battery stuff is a rather separate category for me, and should be for others.

The subject of your post was the charger. In your case it was the charger that failed, not the battery. The point is that ANY electrical device can fail. You say you have been a volunteer firefighter. I am currently the one and only electrical safety compliance person for an industrial manufacturer with sites scattered across the county.
 

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If I worried over sleeping with things plugged in (e cig chargers or otherwise) I'd never sleep. Yes I've had things do the flashy, toast the socket thing (most recent was a space hater last winter.)

"space hater"? :blink: Well yeah, plugging into hating your space can lead to all sorts of bad mojo.

(Couldn't help myself...)
 
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