Will I become an outlaw?

[HawaiianVaporTrailz]

Greetings from TX, fellow vapers!

I’m pretty sure this question has been asked before, and I apologize beforehand if it has.

We all know about the proposed flavor ban, that’s a given. And it’s not a matter of ‘IF’, but more a matter of ‘WHEN’.

Sales of flavors will become illegal, but what about usage? If I’m vaping in public, will I be subjected to prosecution for ‘Possession of a banned Substance’, or is the ban restricted to sales only?

I’m so thoroughly dismayed and disgusted with the lawmakers and news media. I can’t trust anything that they say anymore.

 

[Don29palms]

The sky is falling. THE SKY IS FALLING!

 

[sofarsogood]

So far the proposed restrictions seem to apply only to sellers and resellers. I'm in Michigan. Went into a tobacco shop with a vape section so large they moved into bigger space to handle it. The tobacco side was dead. The vape side was busy with people stockingn up and looking connfused, almost disoriented. When the store runs out of inventory things will get serious. Apparently conservatives are telling the Whitehouse that if vaping is too restricted there are enough vapers in the swing states to cost him the election. (I'm one of them.) They should take that seriously.

In the mean time you'll be scooped up by Homeland Security and shipped to Gitmo. From there you'll be exiled to Syria where you'll be put on a red Toyota pickup with a 50 cal for shooting at Isreali F-35's.

 

[Don29palms]

So far the proposed restrictions seem to apply only to sellers and resellers. I'm in Michigan. Went into a tobacco shop with a vape section so large they moved into bigger space to handle it. The tobacco side was dead. The vape side was busy with people stockingn up and looking connfused, almost disoriented. When the store runs out of inventory things will get serious. Apparently conservatives are telling the Whitehouse that if vaping is too restricted there are enough vapers in the swing states to cost him the election. (I'm one of them.) They should take that seriously.

In the mean time you'll be scooped up by Homeland Security and shipped to Gitmo. From there you'll be exiled to Syria where you'll be put on a red Toyota pickup with a 50 cal for shooting at Isreali F-35's.

So the destruction of the country by a bunch of ......ed socialists is better because a bunch of victims are inconvenienced when it comes to vaping? That's brilliant right there.

 

[Astron]

I plan on carrying on as normal, only vaping where it is legal to smoke. We spend a lot of time at the hospital (as I am a caregiver for my mother in law who has cancer) and don’t really vape much outside the home or my car.

To be honest, this is not something I am worried about, at all. If some government agency wants to make me a poster child by arresting me or the millions of other vapers while cigarette smokers outnumber us by millions, they are welcome to do so. I am not ever going to hide the fact I vape. And that cat is well out of the bag. They can ban prefabricated flavors and eventually mods, but you can go to your local ACE Hardware to make a vape, and one could vape pure VG if he or she is into clouds. When people start dying because they’ve OD’d on pure nicotine and blowing themselves up with homemade mods, we will all shake our heads in grief, but that will be the eventuality of their idiotic decision.

In the meantime, I am going to go along taking care of my own needs and the needs of my friends who need help with their vapes, as I know I am prepared. My vaping friends are either 20 years younger or 20 years older than I am, and both sets have different levels of engagement in avoiding cigarettes. Again, if they want to arrest me for vaping, I will look great in my mug shot. I didn’t come all this way after 22 years of poisoning myself and helping hundreds quit smoking to worry about this garbage now.

Sorry for the rant.

 

[kaldaus]

I plan on carrying on as normal, only vaping where it is legal to smoke. We spend a lot of time at the hospital (as I am a caregiver for my mother in law who has cancer) and don’t really vape much outside the home or my car.

To be honest, this is not something I am worried about, at all. If some government agency wants to make me a poster child by arresting me or the millions of other vapers while cigarette smokers outnumber us by millions, they are welcome to do so. I am not ever going to hide the fact I vape. And that cat is well out of the bag. They can ban prefabricated flavors and eventually mods, but you can go to your local ACE Hardware to make a vape, and one could vape pure VG if he or she is into clouds. When people start dying because they’ve OD’d on pure nicotine and blowing themselves up with homemade mods, we will all shake our heads in grief, but that will be the eventuality of their idiotic decision.

In the meantime, I am going to go along taking care of my own needs and the needs of my friends who need help with their vapes, as I know I am prepared. My vaping friends are either 20 years younger or 20 years older than I am, and both sets have different levels of engagement in avoiding cigarettes. Again, if they want to arrest me for vaping, I will look great in my mug shot. I didn’t come all this way after 22 years of poisoning myself and helping hundreds quit smoking to worry about this garbage now.

Sorry for the rant.

I agree with you, when I first heard about the "flavor ban" I wasnt worried for myself (I make all my own) but it worries me that there is a possibility that a wonderful product will become harder to obtain and more dangerous for many users its a sad state of affairs.

 

[Astron]

I agree with you, when I first heard about the "flavor ban" I wasnt worried for myself (I make all my own) but it worries me that there is a possibility that a wonderful product will become harder to obtain and more dangerous for many users its a sad state of affairs.

Absolutely. It is not for us here whom I worry for. It is for that woman or man who has not ever heard of ECF or DIY and still smokes, thinking that vaping (YES, including JUUL and other pod systems) is somehow the DEVIL and that vaping is “worse than smoking.” They are ALL complicit in the needless suffering and likely early deaths of people who could have found a way out.

If that is not worth taking a risk for, then who is?

 

[Baditude]

You live in Texas. You can be a cowboy.

 

[airidosas252]

I really doubt that anyone in law would pick whatever you vape and do a test, whether flavouring is there or not.
That sounds ridiculous.
That ban is specifically for sellers and resellers, they won't be able to sell you anything with flavors, except tobacco.
Our country is fighting for the same cause, because as soon as voting comes here, we either survive that or we end up buried.
And tobacco companies here are clapping from happiness.

 

[gpjoe]

I figure the OP was being rhetorical (facetious?), not literal. Sort of comparing vaping to gun ownership. If there is a ban on "assault weapons", millions of law-abiding gun owners in American could potentially become felons over night.

Which begs another question:

When flavored e-liquid become contraband, will ECF still allow discussion of the illegal stuff?...what about the discussion DIY of flavored e-liquid in a prohibition?

Hmmmm....

 

[HawaiianVaporTrailz]

It was a kinda dumb question I asked, I know, and slightly paranoid too. But the hatred towards us vapers have reached an all-time high, so you can’t really blame me for feeling the way I do.

I know quite a few people who’ve quit vaping and went back to smoking because of ignorant fears over the recent unfortunate and tragic events the past few weeks.

I tried my best to be rational, but they’re convinced vaping is evil.

That kind of thinking pervades us today, unfortunately. And what’s worse is my inability to persuade others, since they watch the news, which only reports half the story, and thus exacerbates the issues.

None of the news channels here bother to mention the fact that the vast majority of illnesses and deaths are attributed to black market THC (containing vitamin E acetate) or cheap, poorly made Juul pod imposters from China or elsewhere, using gosh-knows-what ingredients and manufacturing methods which I’m quite sure are squalid and unsanitary.

And of the others who’ve fallen ill who’ve not vaped black market products? It’s purely conjecture on my part, but perhaps they were once heavy smokers, and despite quitting, have developed debilitating health issues.

Or maybe those few already have pre-existing health issues totally unrelated to vape use.

We’ll never know for sure, but if it wasn't for places like vaporbeast, vapordna and others with access to information, that vitamin e acetate is the major culprit. Funny how the anti-vaping biased news media conveniently leaves out this fact.

Fear generates higher ratings. And for a competitive bunch like the news media, RATINGS trumps (no pun intended) the FACTS.

Sorry for the long rant. I just needed to vent my feelings.

 

[Toronnah]

Yes you will be. If a substance is prohibited from sale, possession and use and you sell it, possess it or use it, you are breaking the law.

Individuals will likely not be targeted, but you never know. If a cop is having a slow day and sees you cloud chucking strawberry cheesecake on a ginormous mod and tank, they might just make an example of you. A fine and equipment confiscated.

 

[HawaiianVaporTrailz]

I figure the OP was being rhetorical (facetious?), not literal. Sort of comparing vaping to gun ownership. If there is a ban on "assault weapons", millions of law-abiding gun owners in American could potentially become felons over night.

Which begs another question:

When flavored e-liquid become contraband, will ECF still allow discussion of the illegal stuff?...what about the discussion DIY of flavored e-liquid in a prohibition?

Hmmmm....

I think it’s only a matter of time before DIY products become highly regulated at best, and banned at worst.

Or the FDA, in its infinite “wisdom”, will decide that liquid nicotine can only be obtained by properly licensed individuals.

Flavorings I think will survive, as they’ve existed for years, before vaping was even born.

DIY e-juice with zero nic (I currently vape 3 mg) may become my only alternative. But it’s still better than smoking.

 

[Eskie]

All laws and regulations to date relate to sales. There are to my knowledge no laws relating to use and possession under consideration anywhere.

Which begs another question:

When flavored e-liquid become contraband, will ECF still allow discussion of the illegal stuff?...what about the discussion DIY of flavored e-liquid in a prohibition?

Hmmmm....

I know it means using another browser, but Tor isn't that big a deal.

 

[Iron Molly]

My hope is that it will be similar to when they stopped the sale of flavored cigarettes, including clove. No one was stopping you from stockpiling those, and no one is searching out people who did for personal use. The personal use stash is a problem that solves itself in time, as things get used up and can't be bought again. I don't think law enforcement has time to track this stuff down. They don't even have time to track the actual harmful substances.

However, I got pulled over for a busted headlight, and the cop questioned what was in my vape. My answer, strawberry cheesecake, wasn't what he was looking for. He informed me that "You can put illegal stuff in there, you know." I said oh really? That was the end of that, but maybe not so in the future. I don't think they will be looking for nic, but other substances possibly.

 

[DaveP]

My hope is that it will be similar to when they stopped the sale of flavored cigarettes, included clove. No one was stopping you from stockpiling those, and no one is searching out people who did for personal use. The personal use stash is a problem that solves itself in time, as things get used up and can't be bought again. I don't think law enforcement has time to track this stuff down. They don't even have time to track the actual harmful substances.

However, I got pulled over for a busted headlight, and the cop questioned what was in my vape. My answer, strawberry cheesecake, wasn't what he was looking for. He informed me that "You can put illegal stuff in there, you know." I said oh really? That was the end of that, but maybe not so in the future. I don't think they will be looking for nic, but other substances possibly.

No way to tell what's in it without a competent lab evaluation, IMO. A cop is going to suspect the worst, especially with the news articles of late. Mine is clear with 3mg/ml Nic and a 50/50 mix of PG and VG, not that the recipe would mean anything to most non-vapers.

 

[Iron Molly]

No way to tell what's in it, IMO. A cop is going to suspect the worst, especially with the news articles of late. Mine is clear with 3mg/ml Nic and a 50/50 mix of PG and VG, not that the recipe would mean anything to most non-vapers.

True. But you have to get pulled over for something or other first. I doubt they are going to stop you just for the vape, unless you get REALLY unlucky. If you are not otherwise impaired, I doubt they want to mess with the paperwork to do the test. Imagine the backlog that would create.

 

[AvaOrchid]

It was a kinda dumb question I asked, I know, and slightly paranoid too. But the hatred towards us vapers have reached an all-time high, so you can’t really blame me for feeling the way I do.

I know quite a few people who’ve quit vaping and went back to smoking because of ignorant fears over the recent unfortunate and tragic events the past few weeks.

I tried my best to be rational, but they’re convinced vaping is evil.

That kind of thinking pervades us today, unfortunately. And what’s worse is my inability to persuade others, since they watch the news, which only reports half the story, and thus exacerbates the issues.

None of the news channels here bother to mention the fact that the vast majority of illnesses and deaths are attributed to black market THC (containing vitamin E acetate) or cheap, poorly made Juul pod imposters from China or elsewhere, using gosh-knows-what ingredients and manufacturing methods which I’m quite sure are squalid and unsanitary.

And of the others who’ve fallen ill who’ve not vaped black market products? It’s purely conjecture on my part, but perhaps they were once heavy smokers, and despite quitting, have developed debilitating health issues.

Or maybe those few already have pre-existing health issues totally unrelated to vape use.

We’ll never know for sure, but if it wasn't for places like vaporbeast, vapordna and others with access to information, that vitamin e acetate is the major culprit. Funny how the anti-vaping biased news media conveniently leaves out this fact.

Fear generates higher ratings. And for a competitive bunch like the news media, RATINGS trumps (no pun intended) the FACTS.

Sorry for the long rant. I just needed to vent my feelings.

I think it's actually quite likely that those who say that they did not use a THC product or a black market product AR Under Pressure to say so and I don't mean like the government is making them deny it I mean if you're a sixteen-year-old kid who just got sick from vaping THC and your mom's in the room while people question what you were vaping are you really going to want to say that you were vaping black market thc? There's also the possibility that some of these individuals may have actually been making the products or selling the products that got them sick not that that's something I know anything about just that that's something else that could have potentially happened they're not going to want to admit it. It's notoriously difficult to investigate and pinned down causes when it involves something that may be illegal or frowned upon or involves a minor because nobody wants to admit to doing a crime and kids and even young adults aren't going to want to admit to drug use in front of their parents. Since no one really knows how these things are happening there is a possibility that the people who Vape these THC Black Market vitamin E products may have done so a couple weeks prior and therefore would not test positive or even that they were told these were THC modified karts but there was no actual THC in them meaning they would come up negative in any sort of blood or urine screen. Basically there's just a lot of reasons that even individuals who did indeed use a Black Market THC vitamin E containing products would want to keep that quiet. I mean I suppose it's also possible that they're having an allergic reaction or even like you projected that perhaps they had been a heavy smoker and it just got to be too much and they happen to get sick once they switched. There's just too many unknowns and honestly unknowables. They're never going to be able to pin this down accurately and I don't think they're very motivated to do so anyway. Even if the people that died did die from vaping nicotine base products purchased from a store I'll still take 7 or 10 or however many deaths over the 500,000 a year from cigarettes but the fact is that they did not use legit products. And there's many different reasons for them to deny using Black Market or THC products even in a state where THC is legal. I'm also sort of venting so thank you for giving me that opportunity

 

[Myrany]

I figure the OP was being rhetorical (facetious?), not literal. Sort of comparing vaping to gun ownership. If there is a ban on "assault weapons", millions of law-abiding gun owners in American could potentially become felons over night.

Which begs another question:

When flavored e-liquid become contraband, will ECF still allow discussion of the illegal stuff?...what about the discussion DIY of flavored e-liquid in a prohibition?

Hmmmm....

Last I heard ECF was not based in the US. It is also an international group of people using it. I strongly suspect we will continue to be able to discuss DIY here as long as ECF exists.

 

[CMD-Ky]

Yes you will be. If a substance is prohibited from sale, possession and use and you sell it, possess it or use it, you are breaking the law.

Individuals will likely not be targeted, but you never know. If a cop is having a slow day and sees you cloud chucking strawberry cheesecake on a ginormous mod and tank, they might just make an example of you. A fine and equipment confiscated.

The fine for the win, it is a revenue stream for sure.