Would I be considered a dual user?

[Vape-king]

Hi everyone it's my first post in a while. I'd be really interested in keeping up to date with latest ecigarettes info so I hope to show my face a bit more anyway I am a very heavy vaper. I have 40-60 puffs an hour whilst not working. I do sometimes have the occasional cigarette still. Maybe every few weeks I might have a few and also maybe just one a day for a few days. But in realising this is wrong and im trying to cut it out. I went out with some friends the other day and when I drink I find the vape in effective so ended up smoking 20 cigarettes in one evening this was after I told my self not to have any. Then the next day I had one but I've gone a couple of days without now. Like I said it's not often. I'm going to really try cutting out cigarettes completely. Atm Id say I have one a day on average. I also sometimes get a phlegmy cough. I've been on the vape for 2 years and like I said I only smoke about 1 a day on average. What's the reason for this? I have about 50/50 VG/pg .I'm thinking of cutting down on VG and see what happens. Thanks for reading and I'll look forward to your responses

 

[Zaryk]

Yes, if you use analogs and vape (no matter the quantity) that would classify as dual using. But that is not something bad. vaping is still keeping you from a lot of cigarettes you would normally be smoking, which is a very good thing.

 

[Letitia]

I would consider you a dual user. Maybe keep WTA around to vape when you normally want a cig at home or a night out.

 

[JamesDMad]

Is this something you would like to stop?.. I was a former dual user and have now been strictly vaping for 7 months now.. I use 70/30 Vg/Pg and it satisfies my cravings.. There are times I would like to have an analog, but will not or I should say cannot go back...The danger is real for them, and i choose a better quality of life without them.. I'm not sure what Nic strength you are at, If the cravings aren't satisfied with what your currently at have you tried increasing the Nic content in your vape.. It might help as well..

Goo luck

 

[Vape-king]

What is WTA?

 

[Baditude]

Or, during situations where the temptation to smoke will be increased (bar hopping), have a higher nic concentrate juice to use.

It's not how many cigarettes you smoke a day that is important. It's how many you DIDN'T smoke that is.

Basically, when you come right down to it, you haven't completely convinced yourself that you want to quit smoking entirely, or you would have by now. If you can get by with just smoking a cigarette every 3 - 4 days, then you should be able to put all of them away for good.

Call me judgemental if you wish. I would think you've reached a point where a cigarette tastes nasty by now.

 

[Letitia]

What is WTA?

Whole tobacco alkaloids. Many are having success using them.

 

[Vape-king]

And James I would like to stop. I feel like it's possible tbh. Would you agree one cigarette can lead to more and so on? I tried to stop recently but then I went out drinking and smoked a lot of cigarettes. Especially as my vape wasn't charged otherwise I would attempted that. I have 2 vapes but for some reason it didn't charge. Anyway I rarely go out drinking so Im not too worried about that happening again. I did have one the next day though :/ which I felt like was a bit of a fail. I haven't craved since though and hope to keep it that way. I vape about 15ml at 6mg. I have tried upping then nicotine and it didn't change much. But I think I could go without cigarettes I don't crave one every day. But now and again I might smoke a few because of no battery or something along those lines. Do you think cigarettes can be addictive in the short term?

I would consider you a dual user. Maybe keep WTA around to vape when you normally want a cig at home or a night out.

Is this something you would like to stop?.. I was a former dual user and have now been strictly vaping for 7 months now.. I use 70/30 Vg/Pg and it satisfies my cravings.. There are times I would like to have an analog, but will not or I should say cannot go back...The danger is real for them, and i choose a better quality of life without them.. I'm not sure what Nic strength you are at, If the cravings aren't satisfied with what your currently at have you tried increasing the Nic content in your vape.. It might help as well..

Goo luck

 

[Letitia]

Or, during situations where the temptation to smoke will be increased (bar hopping), have a higher nic concentrate juice to use.

It's not how many cigarettes you smoke a day that is important. It's how many you DIDN'T smoke that is.

Basically, when you come right down to it, you haven't completely convinced yourself that you want to quit smoking entirely, or you would have by now. If you can get by with just smoking a cigarette every 3 - 4 days, then you should be able to put all of them away for good.

Call me judgemental if you wish. I would think you've reached a point where a cigarette tastes nasty by now.

Easy words to say, much harder for some to implement. We are all very different and that includes the fact that simply vaping is working for some and others not as much.

 

[Vape-king]

Whole tobacco alkaloids. Many are having success using them.

Oh ok I haven't heard of that. Is that available in UK? Are they safe?

 

[Letitia]

And James I would like to stop. I feel like it's possible tbh. Would you agree one cigarette can lead to more and so on? I tried to stop recently but then I went out drinking and smoked a lot of cigarettes. Especially as my vape wasn't charged otherwise I would attempted that. I have 2 vapes but for some reason it didn't charge. Anyway I rarely go out drinking so Im not too worried about that happening again. I did have one the next day though :/ which I felt like was a bit of a fail. I haven't craved since though and hope to keep it that way. I vape about 15ml at 6mg. I have tried upping then nicotine and it didn't change much. But I think I could go without cigarettes I don't crave one every day. But now and again I might smoke a few because of no battery or something along those lines. Do you think cigarettes can be addictive in the short term?

I believe that I will always be addicted. I'm one of the lucky ones that vaping is enough to keep me from smoking. Switch to external battery setups and remove the it's not charged excuse.

 

[Letitia]

Oh ok I haven't heard of that. Is that available in UK? Are they safe?

Everyone using them is still alive.

 

[Baditude]

Do you think cigarettes can be addictive in the short term?

Long answer: Since you are a past/current smoker, your brain already has long established receptors for nicotine and all the other addictive chemicals present in tobacco smoke. Every time you smoke, you are setting off pleasure sensations to those brain receptors, further adding to your physical dependence on those chemicals.

Short answer: YES.

 

[Letitia]

WTA will seek the same receptors and make it easier to resist smoking.

 

[IgnorantCig]

Make the break. Get away from dual usage.

It's a half hearted attempt, and if somebody is going to break away from cigs for good, they should make a clean break and a real effort. This is just my opinion of course.

It's like an obese person who claims to be on a diet, yet they hide and store a supply of chocolate bars and cup cakes underneath their bed. And every once in a while, they go to their supply and grab a bar or a cupcake. Oh, it's only one chocolate bar! I'm doing so good! Eating 1 bar is better than eating 3 bars, which is what I'd usually do!

They are only fooling themselves, imo.

 

[stols001]

I hit a year non smoking and then started. I had some mild (success) by raising my nicotine and etc. However, I also use WTA., and frankly I may have to dial it BACK a bit with the WTA and etc.

Because I will say this, with every cigarette I smoke, it becomes more "entrenched" in a way. Smoking reinforces... Smoking.

I expect to suffer more this time around but I plan on doing it sooner rather than later, because those cigarettes are TRICKY. They do something to (my at least) brain, and I imagine it's NOT just the alkaloids, it's additives, humectants, and TAR.

You'd be shocked at how powerful TAR is as an MAOI-B, the NIH (mental health part) studied it.

There is a certain amount of suffering and distress in quitting SMOKING, although I will say that WTAs HELPED. There is just a certain amount of MISERY that goes along with quitting smoking IN MY BRAIN at least. I fully expect to suffer cravings and have to withstand them. I have found the most effective aid is "tricking" myself and saying I can quit "tomorrow."

DEFINITELY arm yourself with a tank that has WTA (if you can find it) and perhaps higher nicotine on those nights out. Or, you can avoid SOME of those stressful situations.

That is kind of my plan but the fact is, I will suffer a certain amount, I am fairly certain. With vaping after about a MONTH smoke free, I felt relief..

I will say, I regretted starting smoking INITALLY and I have freaking regretted it EVERY TIME I have picked one up thereafter. And, it's not that I don't KNOW by now, I totally KNOW. I just tell myself a situation is "intolerable" and "I can't stand it and will deal with the problem LATER."

The problem never gets better AND I'm smoking. So yes, I'm a dual user and you are too. Best of luck, etc.

Anna

 

[Myk]

Some people dual use to move away from cigarettes, there's no problem in that.
Some people dual use to keep from moving away from cigarettes. If the goal is to not smoke that's a problem. Only you know why you dual use.
If it's to keep from moving away from cigarettes and that is your goal you may need to put your foot down and power through it to get off smoking.

The right flavor to vape with alcohol is problematic. There's nothing like a good cigar and a glass of good tequila. I just had to stay away from sipping tequila for a while.
Coffee flavors are good with alcohol for me.

 

[Letitia]

Apple vapes pair nicely with bourbon. Creams or custards with mash, especially caramels.

 

[JCinFLA]

@Vape-king - Lots of us dual used for some time and have successfully moved on to only vaping. I did it by getting down to 1/2 a PAD of my smokes, then gradually cutting down the number I could have per day...a week at a time. By the time I got down to 2/day for a week, and then 1/day for my very last week...I really loved vaping more than I ever liked smoking for 42+ years. Having those last ones wasn't even really enjoyable at all. That was 4+ years ago. I've never even craved 1 in all that time, because I knew I was done with them forever, when I had my last one.

For me, setting a dual using plan for myself, and then absolutely sticking to it no matter what...was what helped me succeed. I never backpeddled and had more than I could per day, no matter what life events were going on to cause me stress, or where I went, or what I was doing, etc.. IMO, when you allow yourself to have 20 in 1 night out, or several when your mod wasn't charged, etc., but say you usually "only have 1 per day"...that's setting yourself up to fail at transitioning to vaping only! Either you stick to a plan you've made for yourself, or you don't. If you choose the latter, you'll probably always be a dual user.

ETA: I forgot to say that while going through with my plan, I never felt any jitteryness, nor felt irritated or angry...as if I was being deprived of something I couldn't have. I'd found eliquids I really loved, that worked great to help me get my "nic fix", and my hand-to-mouth habit was satisfied, too. So, finding the right eliquid and nic mg is important for you, too, IMO. Maybe you just haven't found those yet.

 

[BillW50]

There is a lot of vapers who are dual users as far as I can tell. Even some that I have known for years who vapes ended up being dual users (unknown to me all of that time). So you are not alone. Here's one of the best articles that I think nailed the truth in the matter. Let me search my drive for it... please wait... {three hours later} Here it is.

Nicotine, the Wonder Drug? | DiscoverMagazine.com

P.S. Here is the important part if you don't want to read it all.

Not the Great Satan

In short, the estimated 45.3 million people, or 19.3 percent of all adults, in the United States who still smoke are not nicotine fiends. They’re nicotine-anabasine-nornicotine-anatabine-cotinine-myosmine-acetaldehyde-and-who-knows-what-else fiends. It is tobacco, with its thousands of chemical constituents, that rightly merits our fear and loathing as the Great Satan of addictiveness. Nicotine, alone: not so much.​