Would you date a smoker now that you vape?

[Douggro]

It's been a tense few days here on ECF, since the " Harvard Study " It's had an impact that previous anti-vape " studies " haven't. It has impacted seemingly unrelated threads as well.

Oh, i've been to a lot worse places than Seattle as well !

Yeah, maybe my Grinch hat went on a little late this season and showed up on New Year's..
I have strong NY ties: maternal grandparents were Bronx and Brooklyn natives, great-aunt lived on L.I., and my aunt and uncle still have a house in Scarsdale. I used to go out there in the summer with my mom when she went to visit her sister. I couldn't stand living out there, but that's just me.
If Seattle's too liberal for you, go over the mountains to E. WA. Total change of scenery over there, both literally and politically.

 

[Douggro]

Just remember, the anti smoking campaigners are what made smokers into pariahs, and the same broad brush is being applied to ecigs, and the banners banned smoking in parks, beaches, many public places....and even in some apartment complexes, etc. and now the same things will be applied to ecigs.

Like it just started today in one of our adjoining counties: Pierce County health board votes to restrict use of e-cigarettes

 

[Jman8]

I don't want to beat the horse to death. I see where my position could be, and has been, taken out of context. The point I was trying to make to the OP is that exclusion based on one characteristic is discriminatory and prejudicial. It would be like me saying I won't talk to anyone from Staten Island unless they move to Seattle where I live, 'cause I think it's better here. Does that help add a little context?

It is discriminatory and prejudicial, especially as way it is written in OP, but "choosing a mate" is generally based on loads of discrimination. If we were on another forum and someone said, " I don't see myself dating someone who smokes ecigs unless they are willing to quit. I really can't stand the smell of vapor anymore and now I can smell it intensely from my co-workers who still vape and brother in law." - I think vapers would take some issue with that. Realizing it is (clearly) discriminatory and prejudice by implying all vapers would plausibly be deserving of assertion of offensive odor. I don't see how anyone would change this person's mind given their preference (though do think their mind could be changed on this preference), but do see how the prejudicial part could, rather easily, be taken down a few notches. Depends on how willing the person holding the prejudice is open to another point of view.

 

[Lessifer]

It seems pretty clear to me. Op said " I don't see myself dating someone who smokes cigs unless they are willing to switch to vaping. I really can't stand the smell of smoke anymore ". Didn't call anyone disgusting, didn't make any judgement of any kind really. He just expressed a preference not to be in a relationship with a smoker.

As for the ANTZ thing, yeah i agree with you, anyone who thinks " smokers are disgusting " is most likely an ANTZ, i just didn't think it appropriate in this case. I do think the acronym has become a little stale with overuse though, in general. it really doesn't mean what it used to, to me anyway.

I'll admit I didn't go back to the OP and re-read it, but there were a number of posts where it wasn't qualified. Posts along the lines of "No, I could never date a smoker now." with nothing else to go along with it. Sometimes the ANTZ label is overused, but I think it's actually appropriate in this context. As former smokers, if we start treating current smokers with the same disdain as the non-smokers do, we will be no better than them.

What is this "ANTZ" you all keep mentioning? Seriously I've heard this in a few other threads as well. What is it? Slang for something?

Rossum already gave you the acronym, but yeah, there's a range of ANTZ types. Those like this:

Oh surely you know the ones - when you used to whip out a cigarette and were still looking for a light, they started coughing and fanning the air.........

And then there are those who will launch multi million dollar campaigns to spread misinformation about vaping, because it looks like smoking, and they don't like that.

 

[roxynoodle]

It depends. Is he cute? Does he have a job and a car? Does he like cats?

That was what my criteria had come down to as well. Now I don't even think I can meet someone with those 3 attributes.

I'm an ex smoker. I think it would be very hypocritical to hold that against someone.

 

[Canadian_Vaper]

Just wondering, even though I smoked cigs for 23 years, I don't see myself dating someone who smokes cigs unless they are willing to switch to vaping. I really can't stand the smell of smoke anymore and now I can smell it intensely from my co-workers who still smoke and brother in law.

I'm married to a smoker, not once have I thought of divorcing her because of it. If I we're out in the dating scene what a person does means less to me than what type of a person they are...

 

[Douggro]

I'm an ex smoker. I think it would be very hypocritical to hold that against someone.

Roxy, why weren't you saying that in my head when I first replied to this thread?? I jumped on the prejudicial bent with the OP and, in hindsight, you are totally closer to what really irked me: the hypocrisy of the statement. Thank you for bringing that clarity for me.

 

[EvilGenius]

stay on topic or don't post

you saying you wanted to invoke responses and especially the way you phrased it, is indeed trolling

Troll, me? Hmmm. I don't think I have a reputation that precedes me for trolling, but I'll let everyone else form their opinions based on the quality of my posts.

My replies were very intentional and yes, I wanted to invoke a response. It seems to have worked.

Not sure what you are saying tbh. You call someone prejudiced, to invoke a response !? To what end ? And what does " questioning your positions, constantly " , have to do with calling someone prejudiced ? I'm a little confused, but whatever, do your thing i suppose.

its called trolling - internet slang for posting nonsense or trying to annoy/make people mad

 

[Douggro]

stay on topic or don't post

you saying you wanted to invoke responses and especially the way you phrased it, is indeed trolling

its called trolling - internet slang for posting nonsense or trying to annoy/make people mad

First, I owe you - and everyone here - an apology for throwing down the prejudice card. I somehow jumped to that when what really struck me, as @roxynoodle pointed out, is what seems to be the hypocritical nature of your position. For that and the related ensuing crap-storm, I am sorry.
Mea culpa, my bad.

If you want to label or think of me as a troll, that's your prerogative.

 

[Danbrooks2k]

Nope...

My GF smoked when we met. I gave her an EGO ONE with the 1 ohm coils... When I came back home after 3 weeks offshore she was rocking a Herakles on a pink Istick 50, Vaping a tank of Charlie Noble. Now she has her own juice company... MFejuice.com .... All my juice is free.

Talk about getting rewarded for paying it forward.

 

[K_Tech]

It really all depends on the woman. I would prefer my date not smoke, but it's not going to be THE deciding factor, just one of several factors.

 

[Bunnykiller]

I dont date any more.... the wifey wont let me... and she still has an occasional ciggie, doesnt bother me...

 

[Robino1]

First, I owe you - and everyone here - an apology for throwing down the prejudice card. I somehow jumped to that when what really struck me, as @roxynoodle pointed out, is what seems to be the hypocritical nature of your position. For that and the related ensuing crap-storm, I am sorry.
Mea culpa, my bad.

If you want to label or think of me as a troll, that's your prerogative.

Apology accepted
It's easy to start typing without thinking things through. With all the crap stories flying at us on a daily basis, it seems that way anyway, our sensitivities are on overdrive.

I don't consider you a troll, by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[roxynoodle]

First, I owe you - and everyone here - an apology for throwing down the prejudice card. I somehow jumped to that when what really struck me, as @roxynoodle pointed out, is what seems to be the hypocritical nature of your position. For that and the related ensuing crap-storm, I am sorry.
Mea culpa, my bad.

If you want to label or think of me as a troll, that's your prerogative.

When I first started vaping I did have to avoid smokers, but for my own protection as I could have easily went back to smoking. A few months later though I was ok being with them again. So had I met someone as I was quitting, and he smoked, I wouldn't have dated him at that time.

However, I have had more relationships with non smokers and I'm glad they were willing to overlook that I smoked. And I would be willing to overlook the same in a guy now that I'm no longer tempted to return to smoking.

 

[93gc40]

I'm married to one.. So, yes.... I really have no issue with smoking, I just don't want to do it myself anymore. I still enjoy the smell of burning tobacco and the smell of the tobacco shop. I never did enjoy the odor of STALE smoke. I guess that's why I vape NET based juices now. I am still partly pro tobacco, just anti-smoke.

 

[b.m.]

I'm pretty sure my woman would object.

Haha,pretty much the same as i was going to say.I would,but my wife probably would not be happy haha,although she is a smoker still,so not dating a smoker,but i am married to one.

 

[vlodato]

Besides dying, smoking used to he awsome and I'm not a vape snobs piece of .... like you so yeah I'd date a smoker.

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[crxess]

As for the ANTZ thing, yeah i agree with you, anyone who thinks " smokers are disgusting " is most likely an ANTZ, i just didn't think it appropriate in this case. I do think the acronym has become a little stale with overuse though, in general. it really doesn't mean what it used to, to me anyway.

Maybe.........., maybe not

Jesse Kline: Hey, anti-smoking crusaders? You can stop now. You won

Interesting read none the less.

 

[Tom Forde]

It depends on WHO they are. Personality wise & looks wise. If she's a massive ..... and smokes then no. If she's what I look for in a girl & she happens to smoke, then yes.
But I have a girl. She doesn't care that I vape as long as I'm not pushing massive clouds in the car with the windows down haha.

 

[Douggro]

Apology accepted
It's easy to start typing without thinking things through. With all the crap stories flying at us on a daily basis, it seems that way anyway, our sensitivities are on overdrive.

I don't consider you a troll, by any stretch of the imagination.

Thanks Robino.