WV bills to end online sales, tax eliquid and.... DIY supplies!

[squee]

SB420 (there's also a companion HB) can be found here: SB 420 Text

Yes, it has a tax on juice, relatively small at 7.5c/mL so 2.25/ 30mL so not a good thing but not outrageous like we've been seeing. However, it also includes an online/out of state ban on purchases with this:

For purposes of this article, any distributor, dealer, subjobber, subjobber dealer, retailer or any other person that imports or transports e-cigarette liquids into this state, or that causes e-cigarette liquids to be imported or transported into this state, is hereby deemed to be a wholesaler for purposes of this section, and is liable for the tax imposed under this article. No wholesaler or other person may purchase e-cigarette liquids from any seller not approved by the Tax Commissioner

In order to import e-liquid (order online) you have to be a licensed tobacco wholesaler, so there goes that.

But the really interesting bit is here:

E-cigarette liquid includes e-cigarette liquid mixing kits and e-cigarette liquid mixing kit components. When used in, or with, an e-cigarette, e-cigarette liquid is vaporized, or otherwise converted into an inhalable product. E-cigarette liquid may or may not include, without limitation, propylene glycol, vegetable glycerin, nicotine from any source, or flavorings.

and

E-cigarette liquid mixing kits and e-cigarette liquid mixing kit components shall be taxed in accordance with the amount of e-cigarette liquid, in milliliters, that can be produced by or from the kit or components thereof, as determined by the Tax Commissioner

Looks like someone's been doing their homework and not in a good way

 

[crxess]

One more for the Bad Guys.

Hope this one dies before reaching the floor.

The way it reads - Paying Tax on existing inventory could bankrupt any small shop with a decent e-liquid inventory.

 

[KentA]

At least they're honest about it all being about money instead of false health claims.

 

[curiousJan]

Attempting to tax based on usage is stupid ... reminds me of when I used Zyban/Wellbutrin to try to quit smoking. Pharmacy wanted more than $100 for a 1-month supply because doc wrote the Rx for Zyban. I refused to pay that much, had her rewrite the scrip for Wellbutrin, and paid a $10 co-pay for the exact same pills.

 

[Lessifer]

I've only read the quoted parts, but it sounds like 0 nic and DIY supplies would be taxed? As in a bottle of vg would be taxed at the same rate if it were meant for DIY e-liquid?

How would they determine the "amount of e-cigarette liquid, in milliliters, that can be produced by or from the kit or components thereof,?" Depending on what strength you like your nic to be, a liter of 100mg base could make 2,000-100,000ml.

 

[nicnik]

At least they're honest about it all being about money instead of false health claims.

You're right!

This is what it says about its purpose:

For the purpose of providing revenue for the state, an excise tax is hereby levied and imposed on sales of cigarettes and tobacco products other than cigarettes.

 

[KentA]

You're right!
This is what it says about its purpose:

Therefore they are taxing good health.

 

[Papa_Lazarou]

Soooo... at $0.075/ml of vaped product, a litre of 100mg base for DIY (assuming, say, 10mg concentrations of final product) would make 10,000ml and be taxed $750 ??!

Crazy. Not unbelievable, of course, but definitely cray cray.

 

[DC2]

Where the hell is stevegmu these days?
I want him to tell me how everything is okay.

It seems our worst fears were nothing more than hopeful wishes.
Some of these bills in some of these states are going straight for the throat now.

Even after all I've seen over the last six years, I still can't believe what I'm seeing now.
It's worse than I ever thought it would be at the state level.

And soon we'll get treated to what the FDA puts out.

When my dog Sierra rolls over it's because she wants her tummy rubbed.
That's why we've nicknamed her Tummers.

But when we roll over, what will be the reason?
That's a real question, not a rhetorical one.

 

[skoony]

@DC2 stevegmu I last seen on VU a while back.
Mike

 

[zoiDman]

Where the hell is stevegmu these days?
I want him to tell me how everything is okay.

...

I don't think even stevegmu could say that with a Straight Face anymore.

But then Again. I don't think he said Most of the things he did with a Straight Face in the 1st Place.

 

[wvducklady]

This makes me so mad! Ughhh....

 

[Steamix]

Well , no bullcrapping around - dem hurtin for cash.

Means till April this year, just about every vendor will close down or hightail it into another state.

Wonder whats gonna happen to all the VG in the supermarkets, that's USP grade but isn't sold for liquids but for a multitude of other applications. Or the PG that goes into cattle feed.

Dunno how many B&M or online vendors are located there, but ig BG gets too greedy, they'll likely to end up with less than before, as all these tax-paying businesses might disappear.

 

[Lessifer]

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[wvducklady]

Well , no bullcrapping around - dem hurtin for cash.

Means till April this year, just about every vendor will close down or hightail it into another state.

Wonder whats gonna happen to all the VG in the supermarkets, that's USP grade but isn't sold for liquids but for a multitude of other applications. Or the PG that goes into cattle feed.

Dunno how many B&M or online vendors are located there, but ig BG gets too greedy, they'll likely to end up with less than before, as all these tax-paying businesses might disappear.

It is ridiculous! WV is a poor state, but they are taking this way too far. I am so disappointed in their decision.

 

[squee]

WV offers a live audio stream of certain proceedings, the senate finance committee meetings is one of them. This bill was on their agenda for today, at the 3pm meeting. Did anyone happen to listen?

 

[Fresh kevin]

Not from WV but I hope this doesn't pass. Would look good if this got rejected so other states could start getting rid of these stupid laws.

 

[JCinFLA]

Wonder whats gonna happen to all the VG in the supermarkets, that's USP grade but isn't sold for liquids but for a multitude of other applications. Or the PG that goes into cattle feed.

That's what I was wondering, too. Not only is VG in supermarkets, Walmart, etc., but also in craft shops, for home-based making of lip balm, lotions, etc. It's used for so many purposes! PG at Tractor Supply by the gallon, or places all over the US by the drum or barrel or tanker for cattle...come on, ranchers would have a s*it fit if it's taxed like that.

 

[OldBatty]

Yes, various cattlemen's associations would be a powerful ally! They have money thanks to the 'beef checkoff' program. One dollar per head each time one is sold goes to the national association.

 

[Jman8]

Where the hell is stevegmu these days?
I want him to tell me how everything is okay.

It seems our worst fears were nothing more than hopeful wishes.
Some of these bills in some of these states are going straight for the throat now.

Even after all I've seen over the last six years, I still can't believe what I'm seeing now.
It's worse than I ever thought it would be at the state level.

And soon we'll get treated to what the FDA puts out.

When my dog Sierra rolls over it's because she wants her tummy rubbed.
That's why we've nicknamed her Tummers.

But when we roll over, what will be the reason?
That's a real question, not a rhetorical one.

I still recall the days when tom baker was saying, it's not the FDA that's the concern, it's the states. And everyone (but me) responding was like, "no! It's the FDA! This year (like 2 years ago), they are going to create a massive overhaul that will decimate the industry. You are so far off base Tom, and obviously have no idea what this fight is about."