Probably a lot of good thinkers in this subforum. Who here believes free-will exists?
Please no "I decided to reply and now I'm replying thus I have free will"
Please no "I decided to reply and now I'm replying thus I have free will"
My thoughts after, all, don't effect my atomic structure and my atomic structure doesn't effect my thought
maybe I'm the only Atheist that believes that all "matter" could just as easily be a creation manifested by or at least malleable by our minds and could be easily controllable if we wanted to control it - or if we believed we could control it. I sort of believe that because we are all made of the same materials and because all of that material is constantly shifting and moving, I don't see why, since we are shifting and moving with it or against it we can't effectively create or control matter with our will. (maybe instead of the other way around) after all, if the matter around me can create and control me, and if all objects are all the same, then why not the other way around?
But let me toy with this notion some more by asking a question with a reference of "creation".
If we are, or will ever become, the "creator" and assume an understanding of everything being "created", then what "created" US? - The creation of creation?
OH, but I didn't mean "creation" in that sense of the word. What I meant by creation was in that all matter is made of the same components and all matter is already in existence I too believe that there is no "creation". But I do believe that the matter in question can be arranged and rearranged into different forms (animal, vegetable, mineral etc.) and thereby things are "created" not by drawing the items out of nothing but by the arrangement of matter. It was suggested in the argument against free-will that I am influenced by the matter of the universe and therefor have no real free-will, but I am suggesting that (all things being equal) I could just as easily influence other matter as be influenced by it. Or you could, or
anything/anyone could. But I don't believe that someone who has found the freedom of thought and self-potential to do such an act would be able to use it with bad intentions-in fact may not see it as an exciting event as perhaps you or I might.
Unless you're talking about arranging matter with your free mind, which would be a different story for a human who has never been treated poorly and really does have a heart of gold, but that is highly unlikely. You would have to evolve into an unrecognizable being... Something above a god, but still less powerful than the natural universe of all matter (the power stops there). After all, if you don't have any matter to work with, then that means you don't exist either.
Did that make any sense?
It's one idea...I tend to think that people actually do rearrange matter with their minds more often than they even realize. For example; people who suffer from stigmata or those statues in italy that cry tears of blood or people who claim to have witnessed demonic possession (yes, I actually believe that these so called "miracles" actually exist). I have been toying with the idea that people create (or manifest) these phenomenon without even realizing it by rearranging the matter around them to actualize what they believe (I've heard stranger theories)...
It's one idea...I tend to think that people actually do rearrange matter with their minds more often than they even realize. For example; people who suffer from stigmata or those statues in italy that cry tears of blood or people who claim to have witnessed demonic possession (yes, I actually believe that these so called "miracles" actually exist). I have been toying with the idea that people create (or manifest) these phenomenon without even realizing it by rearranging the matter around them to actualize what they believe (I've heard stranger theories). But, perhaps you are right that if they realized that they were able to do such a thing they would use it with catastrophic results.
I don't think my point came across correctly. I was speaking against free-will being impossible because of the laws of physics. Those same laws would go against spontaneously creating matter in the form of tears in a statue or something being simply because it was wished for. For that wish to be granted it would have to be granted by something above those laws and I think we're all in this forum because we know such a being does not exist.
do-DO-do-Do - Did I just step into the "Rosa Zone"? - LOL
yeah, I'm not going to defend myself on that one, you pretty much nailed it. But I think they used to say the same thing to my buddy Aristotle.
anyway: that's why I called them "so called miracles" -clearly I don't believe in miracles, but I do believe in phenomenon that is yet to be explained. Just because unexplainable things happen, it doesn't make them "miracles", it just means they're unexplained.