Young Kids Vaping. How do you feel about it?

[KattMamma]

I was smoking nearly a pack a day at 13. Would he have started smoking if vaping wasn't available? Maybe. And if so, vaping is definitely the better choice.

If vaping were around when I was 13, it would have saved me from decades of smoking.

If I were you, I would educate him and make sure he has safe equipment.

 

[Sirius]

I believe this is the Senate Hearing that the Washington Post article was written about.

E-Cigarette Marketing | Video | C-SPAN.org

And Yes, I know how many Rabbits these Law Makers have in their Hats. Because I watched it Live.

Same here zoiDman,...and what a witch hunt.[emoji83]

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[zoiDman]

Same here zoiDman,...and what a witch hunt.[emoji83]

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Yeah... That was a Hard Thing to watch.

And I Smashed my Keyboard with my Fist (Repeatedly) when Boxer started her Little Tirade. She Can't leave Office quick enough for me.

 

[Tmg666]

Would somone like to elaborate as to why they would be fine with 0mg nicotine, but not say 3mg or 6mg for that age?

 

[AndriaD]

Would somone like to elaborate as to why they would be fine with 0mg nicotine, but not say 3mg or 6mg for that age?

Probably because they've been ANTZ-brainwashed into thinking that nicotine is THE DEVIL.

Andria

 

[Liskrig]

I'm sure if the Internet and PHPbb forums existed 40+ years ago we would be having the same talk but with cigarettes.

A lot of smokers started when they were only young teenagers, so why is this any different? I would RATHER the children try vaping than smoking if I had to choose.

As far as if they SHOULD... I redirect the question to the community as 'Why did you start smoking?' I'm sure the silly reason now made a whole lot of sense to your younger self.

 

[Mazinny]

Would somone like to elaborate as to why they would be fine with 0mg nicotine, but not say 3mg or 6mg for that age?

I think there have been studies indicating nicotine may have adverse effects on adolescent brain development. Don't know if that's the reason some have a problem with it though, it may be because they think it's addictive.

I haven't really read the studies myself though, just browsed through the conclusions !

 

[Rizzyking]

Right now we don't know to a certainty that vaping is totally harmless or what if any long-term effects there might be from it just as they didn't with cigarettes let's not make the same mistake. Being honest I'd rather young uns smoked tobacco and in a few years have the option of vaping then have loads of them vaping now and contributing to the effective end of vaping with only crap left as an option. Truth really isn't a factor with the anti vapers it's all about scaremongering and the perception of a problem and lots of minors vaping is just gonna hand them so much traction. All members should oppose underage vaping so that a clear message is sent and the community is not seen to condone it in anyway, not pleasant but a damn site better then the antz getting hold of some of the comments in this thread and misrepresenting them as the attitude of the community in general, I'm surprised it hasn't already happened as this isn't the first thread on this subject and likely won't be the last.

Like it or not we're in a war with ridiculous people and right now they are winning and it's a pretty one sided fight so far, we have to be very careful how we respond to certain topics.

 

[AndriaD]

I will not oppose something that stands a good chance of making smoking obsolete, and is so much less harmful than smoking it's not even funny -- I will NEVER EVER support the idea that it's better for kids to smoke! NEVER EVER!!!!!!!!

If vaping is less harmful for us, it's less harmful for kids too! Why sentence them to that "lifelong addiction" just because of a few idiots saying 'we just don't know'?!?!??!

Far, FAR better for kids to vape than smoke, even if the kids are vaping 24mg nicotine! It's STILL better than the toxic cocktail in cigarettes!


Andria

 

[Rizzyking]

It's not going to make smoking obsolete if it's regulated to death is it you'll have a situation where smoking rates will increase and vaping isn't just about kids it's a lot bigger then that. It's all well and good getting emotional about it but not very practical and not very useful to the overall goal of vaping remaining a practical viable option for tens of millions in the future.

 

[KurrptSenate]

I'm kind of indifferent. before vaping was ever a "thing", kids would smoke all the time, from 12 to 17. I would much rather those kids that are curious vape than smoke. I wouldn't say I necessarily condone the behavior but it's definitely the lesser of two "evils"

 

[stevegmu]

I think vaping has pretty much peaked among smokers who use it to quit...

 

[Jman8]

Being honest I'd rather young uns smoked tobacco and in a few years have the option of vaping then have loads of them vaping now and contributing to the effective end of vaping with only crap left as an option. Truth really isn't a factor with the anti vapers it's all about scaremongering and the perception of a problem and lots of minors vaping is just gonna hand them so much traction. All members should oppose underage vaping so that a clear message is sent and the community is not seen to condone it in anyway, not pleasant but a damn site better then the antz getting hold of some of the comments in this thread and misrepresenting them as the attitude of the community in general, I'm surprised it hasn't already happened as this isn't the first thread on this subject and likely won't be the last.

Like it or not we're in a war with ridiculous people and right now they are winning and it's a pretty one sided fight so far, we have to be very careful how we respond to certain topics.

It is because of the age restriction to minors that ALL other current restrictions, regulations, deeming is in motion.

Of course opposition would cherry pick our messages in this thread and spin them to way they think they ought to be perceived.

Clearly our opposition can divide us on this issue, and clearly they can win many small battles because of this division, and because of how many people do roll over, very easily, on the kids issue. While not thinking through their position and blatantly practicing adultism.

I'm up for the war, and won't be taking a back seat to those who don't have the fortitude to stand up for what makes the most sense on this fundamental issue.

The one that drives ALL other regulations.

 

[DC2]

I think vaping has pretty much peaked among smokers who use it to quit...

No chance.

I don't think vaping has even taken off yet among smokers.
But that, of course, is due to the propaganda designed specifically to slow it down.

 

[DC2]

Imagine there's no ANTZ
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...

 

[Rizzyking]

They are not winning small battles we're getting our backside handed to us and haven't even landed a really good blow yet. Passion and emotion can be very powerful forces at times but they are not going to cut iit on this issue we need hard facts which we have by the bucket load but no way to get it out to the general public. Right now more and more kids are vaping and it's not good for vaping as it gives the appearance of validity to the gateway argument the antz have been banging on about for the last couple of years. I agree the antz skew things but sadly they have the means to get that skewed rubbish out there to the public many of whom have no stake in this fight and will happily go along with the prevailing message.

 

[AndriaD]

They are not winning small battles we're getting our backside handed to us and haven't even landed a really good blow yet. Passion and emotion can be very powerful forces at times but they are not going to cut iit on this issue we need hard facts which we have by the bucket load but no way to get it out to the general public. Right now more and more kids are vaping and it's not good for vaping as it gives the appearance of validity to the gateway argument the antz have been banging on about for the last couple of years. I agree the antz skew things but sadly they have the means to get that skewed rubbish out there to the public many of whom have no stake in this fight and will happily go along with the prevailing message.

Ok.. the FACT is, vaping is less harmful than smoking, NO MATTER one's age.

As for the ridiculous gateway argument, it's garbage, because the stats show very clearly that smoking among "kids" is at an all-time low. Probably thanks to vaping! If vaping was really a "gateway," then not only would we see more and more kids vaping, we'd ALSO see more and more kids smoking! I mean DUH!

Andria

 

[DC2]

They are not winning small battles we're getting our backside handed to us and haven't even landed a really good blow yet. Passion and emotion can be very powerful forces at times but they are not going to cut iit on this issue we need hard facts which we have by the bucket load but no way to get it out to the general public. Right now more and more kids are vaping and it's not good for vaping as it gives the appearance of validity to the gateway argument the antz have been banging on about for the last couple of years. I agree the antz skew things but sadly they have the means to get that skewed rubbish out there to the public many of whom have no stake in this fight and will happily go along with the prevailing message.

Ok.. the FACT is, vaping is less harmful than smoking, NO MATTER one's age.

As for the ridiculous gateway argument, it's garbage, because the stats show very clearly that smoking among "kids" is at an all-time low. Probably thanks to vaping! If vaping was really a "gateway," then not only would we see more and more kids vaping, we'd ALSO see more and more kids smoking! I mean DUH!

Both of these posts are correct.
And so, here we are.

It's the liars and the money-grubbers that put us here.

 

[Jman8]

Right now more and more kids are vaping and it's not good for vaping as it gives the appearance of validity to the gateway argument the antz have been banging on about for the last couple of years. I agree the antz skew things but sadly they have the means to get that skewed rubbish out there to the public many of whom have no stake in this fight and will happily go along with the prevailing message.

I agree the increase in kids vaping gives appearance of validity to the gateway argument.

But the increase in kids vaping is good for vaping. That's never going to change, and genie is out of the bottle and enjoying being out of the bottle. Thus, only smaller battles can be won at this point, and will be based on using emotional pleas to mass public about little Jonny engaging in that dangerous activity known as vaping.

Kids vaping is the central point for the war. There are many ideas for how to curtail kids vaping. Restricting it via arbitrary laws, as demonstrated by literally every other product will not prevent kids from vaping. In all likelihood, it will make it that much more cool for kids to be vaping.

If truly hoping for less kids to be vaping, then truth would be told to kids about vaping. This means the good and the bad. The real gateway is only conveying the bad, and then allowing kids to find out (from own experience and peers) the good, and wanting more of the good aspect, but having to do so in way where adults are kept out of the loop.

How's that working out for us?

 

[stevegmu]

Politicians don't see it as a choice between smoking and vaping. They want kids to do neither and will legislate accordingly...