Young Kids Vaping. How do you feel about it?

[pennysmalls]

Looking back on my own smoking journey that started at the tender age of 9 I know now that my parents had no say in the matter, I was determined. They could have had any opinion on the matter and no matter what those opinions may have been they would have been irrelevant because my choice to smoke was already set in stone. They could have taken steps, if they had been aware that I was smoking, to stop me or at least make it difficult for me to get my hands on cigarettes but that still wouldn't have stopped me. So as a parent I look at things in a damage control/level of danger type of way. Is what my kids are doing truly dangerous? Drugs? Alcohol? Cigarettes? Could this become a life long habit? You bet I'll be all over their butts 24/7 for the more serious substances to do my best to prevent them from going down those roads, but vaping, for now with the info I have, not so much.

 

[DC2]

Politicians don't see it as a choice between smoking and vaping. They want kids to do neither and will legislate accordingly...

Because, of course, of the propaganda.

Not that people would want their children to vape.
But more that if not brainwashed, they wouldn't attempt to legislate it out of existence.

 

[Jman8]

Politicians don't see it as a choice between smoking and vaping. They want kids to do neither and will legislate accordingly...

...and be partially responsible for hooking another generation onto dysfunctional use of recreational nicotine.

 

[zoiDman]

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But the increase in kids vaping is good for vaping. ...

 

[Jman8]

 

[stevegmu]

...and be partially responsible for hooking another generation onto dysfunctional use of recreational nicotine.

That doesn't matter. Right now, they are protecting the children and that's how the vast majority of voters will see it...

 

[pennysmalls]

That doesn't matter. Right now, they are protecting the children and that's how the vast majority of voters will see it...

They see our children as future dollar signs.

 

[stevegmu]

They see our children as future dollar signs.

The money conspiracy is why activist vapers don't have a chance at reaching out to politicians, on either side...

 

[DC2]

They see our children as future dollar signs.

It wouldn't work without the following...

1) Parents wanting to protect their children from every imaginable thing under the sun
2) The mainstream media providing them many things to be scared of whether or not they are real

If my parents protected me the way some parents do these days...
I'd really be a lot less of a human being.

 

[Mazinny]

Ok.. the FACT is, vaping is less harmful than smoking, NO MATTER one's age.

As for the ridiculous gateway argument, it's garbage, because the stats show very clearly that smoking among "kids" is at an all-time low. Probably thanks to vaping! If vaping was really a "gateway," then not only would we see more and more kids vaping, we'd ALSO see more and more kids smoking! I mean DUH!

Andria

I agree that the gateway argument is probably bogus, but i don't believe e cigs have a lot to do with the smoking rates decreasing among high school students. There has been a steady decrease in underage smoking since the recent peak of 1997. From 2011 to 2014 though, e cig use has approximately quadrupled.

There doesn't seem to be a correlation one way or another.

 

[pennysmalls]

The money conspiracy is why activist vapers don't have a chance at reaching out to politicians, on either side...

I can see that, but it doesn't mean it isn't true.

 

[stevegmu]

I can see that, but it doesn't mean it isn't true.

When listening and watching the presentations, mostly by a certain party, they truly believe they are saving children. They couldn't end smoking and now see an opportunity to be the heroes who save children from vaping. It's ideological, not financial. They will just increase taxes elsewhere to make up the difference...

 

[Rizzyking]

I know the gateway argument is rubbish can't believe I've had to state that but it's a very effective message to those who don't care about this issue and will swing their support behind whatever appears right not necessarily what is right. Regulations are coming there is no stopping that all we can do is mitigate them as best we can which means not being seen to support or condone certain aspects of vaping in public and trying to get back some of the ground we've lost. The pro vaping groups lost this early on in terms of beating regulations and now we have to scrape what we can out of the situation.

 

[pennysmalls]

When listening and watching the presentations, mostly by a certain party, they truly believe they are saving children. They couldn't end smoking and now see an opportunity to be the heroes who save children from vaping. It's ideological, not financial. They will just increase taxes elsewhere to make up the difference...

Oh I totally believe some of them truly care about the children but I also believe they are playing into the hands of those who don't truly care. Look at the money lost from just the members on this forum alone. If just half the membership here have quit by switching to vaping and we go with a figure of just $5 per pack at a pack a day per those members, that's over half a million dollars a day being lost. I don't know how much of a pack the average state and federal taxes would be, but it's enough to cause great concern amongst those who don't care. There is no way the financial aspect is not being seriously looked at. I personally believe that vaping can decimate the tobacco industry and if it does we'll be facing some very scary financial problems. Our children, as future smokers, avoid that problem.

 

[stevegmu]

Oh I totally believe some of them truly care about the children but I also believe they are playing into the hands of those who don't truly care. Look at the money lost from just the members on this forum alone. If just half the membership here have quit by switching to vaping and we go with a figure of just $5 per pack at a pack a day per those members, that's over half a million dollars a day being lost. I don't know how much of a pack the average state and federal taxes would be, but it's enough to cause great concern amongst those who don't care. There is no way the financial aspect is not being seriously looked at. I personally believe that vaping can decimate the tobacco industry and if it does we'll be facing some very scary financial problems. Our children, as future smokers, avoid that problem.

The taxes aren't as large as many seem to believe, but when they do miss it, they will simply raise taxes on those who work and continue raising the tax on cigarettes to compensate.
Some politicians don't care about the fiscal state of their city, or state. Look at Detroit and California...

 

[pennysmalls]

I hope your right steve, I hope that things will be that simple.

 

[stevegmu]

I hope your right steve, I hope that things will be that simple.

They have been increasing the cigarette and cigar tax to compensate for fewer smokers for years. Hardcore smokers will still smoke, regardless of what it costs...

 

[Mazinny]

It wouldn't work without the following...

1) Parents wanting to protect their children from every imaginable thing under the sun
2) The mainstream media providing them many things to be scared of whether or not they are real

If my parents protected me the way some parents do these days...
I'd really be a lot less of a human being.

off topic, but funny clip about the paranoia and scaremongering spread by the " think of the children " crowd :

Lenore Skenazy Talks Free-Range Kids on Daily Show... - Hit & Run : Reason.com

 

[skrymir]

Would somone like to elaborate as to why they would be fine with 0mg nicotine, but not say 3mg or 6mg for that age?

Because you don't want teens to develop a recreational chemical dependency.

I have a 14yo and I have never had a worry about him smoking or vaping. If he did decide to vape I'd be OK with the no nic eliquid but wouldn't want him to get hooked on a habit that he may have for the rest of his life.

 

[Tmg666]

Because you don't want teens to develop a recreational chemical dependency.

I have a 14yo and I have never had a worry about him smoking or vaping. If he did decide to vape I'd be OK with the no nic eliquid but wouldn't want him to get hooked on a habit that he may have for the rest of his life.

From some studies done so far nicotine use without smoking cigarettes is rare for addiction to form. Its more then likely nicotine isn't as addictive as it was believed before.
And caffeine is just as bad for them, but i bet they drink all sorts of caffeine beverages. Its addictive, desensitizes receptors just like nicotine, and is unhealthy.