The bans you people seem to want so badly are a product of the anti-smoker/healthist movement that has led to bans on smoking in pubs, bans on hiring smokers, bans on smoking in private residences and cars, bans on smokers fostering children, denial of medical care and insurance ad nauseum. BAN THE BANS Enough of this! I too raised two wonderful children: one who will graduate in May from college, another who is majoring in computer engineering. Guess what, neither of them has ever smoked a cigarette, not because they are against those who do or were critical of me smoking, but because I taught them to make wise choices without forbidding behavior. Meanwhile, their friends from dictatorial homes of anti-smoking parents are all smokers, specifically because it was the forbidden fruit: same reason I started smoking. Bans are engineered to divide people. I have never seen a clearer example of that successful strategy than here.
your opinion on e-cig use by minors on Youtube
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As someone who is in their 20s still, and can EASILY remember their teens, I can tell you right now that all of you who are trying to prevent minors from using e-cigs are just going to be actually encouraging it. I started smoking because I was told not to. I was told it was an adult product, and that I was not allowed to do it. I started drinking when I was only 14 for the same reason. I then got into heavy drug use, which almost killed me, for the same reason. Kids know it's bad for them. They know. And a common misconception is that they don't care, or that they think they are immortal. Wrong. Kids do care. They don't think they're immortal. They, do however, think it is more important that they be viewed as mature and an adult.
I don't care about the age of the person. If they were old enough to get into smoking long enough to be addicted, then they are old enough to use e-cigs to quit. The USE of an ecig is an entirely different thing than the ABUSE of an ecig.
I don't care about the age of the person. If they were old enough to get into smoking long enough to be addicted, then they are old enough to use e-cigs to quit. The USE of an ecig is an entirely different thing than the ABUSE of an ecig.
Thank you for posting this. It is nice to hear from someone who actually remembers their teen years and the spirit of rebellion that is natural to kids that age. I am more worried about kids who were so dependent on peer pressure that they are unable to say no just because someone in their circle is doing it and it looks cool. Giving kids a sense of independence and allowing them to make some decisions goes a long way in developing the skills it takes to build self esteem and say no to peer pressure.
I have been watching this over the past few days and i have seen a large disproportionate jump in those For this measure. I suggest the ECF staff start checking IP addresses. something doesn't seem normal here.
One thing I think most people forget is that peer pressure is subjective. Just because one kid is doing it doesn't mean the whole school will, otherwise they'd all smoke. A kid who isn't interested in smoking won't have that much interest in ecigs, especially considering just how expensive it is. Ecigs are only cheaper IN THE LONG RUN and kids are not interested in the long run, generally.
I smell the stench of anti-smokers/vapers POSING as vapers and former smokers. It's kind of hard not to recognize their foul odor.
Kids with self esteem and strong decision making skills do not make their decisions based upon peer pressure. They make their choices because they want to do something and have thought it through. Believing that an anonymous kid on the internet could lead a strong person of any age to do something they would not do anyway is either naive or has been planted on this board to divide the community. I vote for the second choice. In the three years I have been using e cigs and posting on here, we have noticed the sporadic influx of anti-smoker/vaper types trying to stir things up.
The "population" you describe and have experienced are your own children. Not all parents are as encouraging, seemingly intelligent, mentally healthy and definitely not as caring or involved as you appear to have been or be. Major kudos on raising what sound to be to great children. I too believe in the freedom of speech and non-censorship to a point but there must come into play a level of responsibility when it comes to who views, reads, listens, consumes etc when children are the subject. Again, sadly a very large percentage of children don't have that parent or preferably parents in the home setting so then the responsibility falls on us as a society which many gladly assume. It still holds true that "It takes a village to raise a child".
As far as an "influx of anti-smoker/vaper types".....I don't see it nor buy into that rhetoric. I just see for the most part some healthy viewpoints being expressed.
As far as an "influx of anti-smoker/vaper types".....I don't see it nor buy into that rhetoric. I just see for the most part some healthy viewpoints being expressed.
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thats simple, the new thread/poll was posted and laid dormant for a few days with a few passersby, then john showed up to rage post at anyone that agreed, which bumped the thread alot so many more people could see it and vote.
I'm 24 and remember my teen hood extremely well, but then again all the facebook/myspace/twitter/youtube stuff wasn't really popular back then or was still emerging. I started smoking at 18 and not due to peer pressure. I was far more health conscious as a teen with training/sports until I left high school. I'd call that good guidance. Were the people right who told me not to smoke, yes but I was old enough to make my own decisions.
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To label people who think teen videos on youtube promoting a device, which large corporations and government are trying to find a way to ban isn't anti vaping, its pro vaping.
The last thing I would want is the AUS or US government to ban e cigs because they felt too many teens/kids were using them. We got to keep ourselves tight until we are over that milestone and e cigs are promoted as a NRT device.
It's great hearing the thoughts and opinions of the younger members......I remember being a teen too but those memories seem to get a little bit hazier as the years roll by.....LOL. It's a new age but not all things are different...carry on young guns....
Every video or evidence of a minor using a nicotine device is just more cannon fodder for those who want to shut this industry down.
You want to keep throwing dirt at people who disagree with you and call them evil, take a look in the mirror. You are so hell bent on being right you can't even see logic. I hope to god that addicted teens use WHATEVER it takes to get off of cigarettes before it takes their lives like it does so many millions of others. I DO NOT want to see videos of it as there is NO REASON to make them other than promote the use of them to minors and possibly get the entire life saving idea banned until Big Pharma can figure out how to make a $1000 version you can only buy with a prescription.
First you say you would promote the use of these through peer marketing on youtube to possibly help the 6 million teen smokers even though the other 18 million non smoking teens might pick up an addiction by doing it saying it is just collateral damage. Now you say if you save just 1 teen from smoking then a complete ban of e-cigs is fine by you. Can you possibly contradict yourself any more? What about the millions and millions of adults who would now be forced back to analogs as well because you wanted to be right? Hopefully there are more people with sense that help take these things down, I for one would rather win the current battle and get e-cigs accepted as a safe alternative FIRST and then move on to the issue of minors. If you want to pick an impossible battle and lose the entire war over it, keep in mind the court of public opinion is what will be your downfall not a forum.
If the point you were trying to make was to help teens quit I agreed right away, but its sadly not. This is you wanting to take a fragile situation and push it beyond the brink for your own personal agenda. Those videos reach billions of people throughout the world and will be smoking guns in the courts for why these devices are bad. The kids can watch videos from well known e-cig reviewers if they need the information and click the links to ECF to find the support and information they need, the possible damage of these videos far outweighs the possible impact of a few solid reviews by teen smokers. Let them use e-cigs in private to get off the analogs there is no need for global videos.
Stop being selfish you are not only trying to doom teen smokers to have no alternative, you are going to do the same to the rest of us in the process. If you really wanted to help them you would encourage them to bring their stories here and to take down the videos so they can continue to use what is proven to work.
John seems to like stirring up trouble in forums. Its fun to debate with him. He is incorrect with the majority of what he is saying, and I think he knows this as well..
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Instead of worrying about providing fodder, how about shutting down the anti-smoker industry? If you choose to keep trying to suck up to them and please them, you are fighting a losing battle.
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