FDA Zeller Actually Lets the Truth Slip Out - Let's Pay Attention
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As Ralph Tyler, the former FDA chief counsel, said at SFATA - we don't know whether some teenager will figure out how to cheaply synthesize liquid nicotine from eggplant. More importantly, we don't know if they won't figure out how to do it with nothing more than common household products. If they did, that would stop all this
in its tracks, because Congress would not only have to ammend the law, but they'd have to stop people from coming up with the zillion-and-one alternatives to combustible tobacco cigarette smoking that would then be possible.However let's not forget how this all started. It started with Zeller, and what he said about vaping.
I hope it's clear now ... how his vision of vaping could actually feed right into my scenario. As I said before, jumping out of a 10-story window is not gong to save us. Zeller's point of view - if we understand what he really means - is no bowl of cherries.
We are not going to argue about politics.
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I'm beginning to think Orwell was an optimist.....
Maybe the War on Danger (or health risks) is just as dangerous to liberty as the War Against Terrorism probably already is, or the Cold War actually was.
I'm not saying that I've given up (or that anybody else should).. Far from it.. Heck, I'm even doing some things to help fight this which I don't talk about here out of respect for ECF.. Nothing that would get me arrested, per se, but certainly some things that would be questionable to some...
I was simply pointing out that the FDA has, over the decades, morphed into a business.. And as such, they very much take their own interest as a priority..
To put it bluntly, there are some people at the FDA basically sitting around thinking & discussing, "How can we milk this e-cig thing for as much as possible, and still be able to pass it off to the public that what we're doing is in the best interest of their health & safety?"
I'm telling you, these people are sociopaths.. Intelligent, scheming, experienced sociopaths...
I think if a Person Wants to, they can Make just about Anything a person Says fit into Any Scenario they want.
I'm just having a Hard Time Buying into the Switch-O-Change-O of e-Cigarettes going from a Completely Free Market, to a Regulated Market Dominated by BT, only to have an End Run pulled and Power Transferred to BP.
That... And Flight 370 had a BT Exec onboard who had a Briefcase full of BP Documents.
I thought the Roswell Crash had something to do with Jimmy Hoffa?
I think Roger has come up with a very real & possible end-game.. But I'm also seeing it as just one of many possibilities..
There are way too many variables here, with all sorts of players of all shapes & sizes strategizing & jostling for position..
Which definitely gives a lot of credence to the power of vaping.. I think it was Burr who aptly said in the hearing, something about a once-in-a-century technological revolution...
One thing is for sure: This is going to be very interesting to observe & participate in how it transforms over the coming decades...
There are way too many variables here, with all sorts of players of all shapes & sizes strategizing & jostling for position..
Which definitely gives a lot of credence to the power of vaping.. I think it was Burr who aptly said in the hearing, something about a once-in-a-century technological revolution...
One thing is for sure: This is going to be very interesting to observe & participate in how it transforms over the coming decades...
cut it out guys, or you're going to have to pay for my monitor that I just sprayed with scotch through my nose laughing.
I agree, about being able to select more than one option for what devices... although cigalikes got me to the point of quitting, I don't think I could have dealt with the constant recharge/refill every 15 minutes over the long term, and if better devices had not been available, I might easily have just given up.
All the rest, I have no quibble. I had only ever tried cold turkey, or the patch. The patch was so ineffective I didn't bother ever trying any other NRT, until something that actually kinda *imitated* smoking came along. For me it's about 95% psychological/behavioral, 5% nicotine partial-replacement (my nicotine intake is substantially less than it was with cigarettes).
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There's another rather large elephant in the room we need to be considering, and it's the couple dozen states that have issued bonds secured by their future tobacco excise tax revenues under the MSA. No matter what happens at the federal level, these state all have an obvious vested interest in maintaining a level of tobacco tax revenue sufficient to service their bond debt, since some of them have already spent 25 years' worth of MSA money ahead of time on the dubious assumption that the number of smokers and the amount they smoke is going to remain static over the course of a quarter century. If I'm the governor of one of these states, the last thing I want to do is stand before my constituents and explain why my state just defaulted on a raft of bonds and had its credit rating decimated because too damn many people quit smoking. That's quite possibly the Mother of All No-Win Political Situations.
In my opinion Big Pharma does NOT want people to quit smoking.
Big Pharma wants Big Tobacco to continue selling cigarettes.
And Big Pharma wishes that electronic cigarettes were wiped off the face of the planet.
But they can live with Big Tobacco being allowed to sell electronic cigarettes that don't work.
Big Pharma wants to start selling nicotine based drugs...
--Alzheimer's
--Parkinson's
--Ulcerative colitis
--ADHD
--Schizophrenia
--Tourette's Syndrome
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Question 5: "If You Answered "Yes" to Question 4, what Product Did You Try that Did Not Work?" Should have been multiple choice. I tried practically everything out there and none of them worked.
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