Zenith tank and coils

[Dalcow1080]

Honestly I experienced the same. nautilus 1.8 coil user for many many years, first time trying out a Zenith II tank with 1.6 coil last week, the flavor was really muted from one to the other using the same eliquid I always vape. It did get better for me after a short break in period with the coil and readjusting my watts. I haven't seen anyone else say they had experienced this, quite the opposite, so I figured new equipment and I needed to play around a bit to find a sweet spot.

Thanks for the reply. Are you saying it got better in flavor after you used it for a bit? That is interesting and I wouldn’t expect that. I used mine for about 2 days and it honestly seemed to get worse. Eventually to tasting like I was vaping cotton. I am now back on the nautilus unfortunately as literally brand new coils with this zenith have little to no flavor from the very first hit. We are vaping cinnamon as well so you can imagine there is flavor there. Lol.

What wattage are you running at?

 

[Dalcow1080]

Perhaps the zenith II has a wider chimney than you are used to. I have a tank that has a wide (very wide) chimney and the flavor is pretty weak and, while I otherwise like the tank, I have shelved it for this reason. This Zenith II just might not be a good fit for your flavor requirements.

If you can get an original zenith or a zlide tank, perhaps you can try one of those to see if they give you better flavor. Otherwise maybe try selling your Zenith II and what coils you have. It should sell rather quickly here on the ECf classifieds.

what do you mean by “chimney”. It has been a long time since I’ve been involved heavily with all the vaping world so my knowledge of terms is very limited anymore. Have been on the same setup and liquid for years. I’ve done the mech mods, making my own coils etc but it has been years since I did all that.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

what do you mean by “chimney”.

The metal tube that goes from the coil head to the drip tip (aka mouthpiece). The chimney on the Zenith II is rather short, but it's a chimney nonetheless.

 

[Superuser187]

Its true that zenith 2 has wider inner diameter chimney cause they wanted to be airy enough to be used for direct lung vaping also and in my opinion is not common for mouth to lung attys to be that wide....i mean compared to the zlide i have the chimney is lot smaller in the zlide and that can affect flavour for sure

 

[Superuser187]

I havent vaped the nautilus but if it has better flavour ....then like with all changes maybe need some time to get used to the zenith cause i feel like after a while u get used to vaping it and u gonna feel the flavour even if its not as strong as Nautilus....

If u havent stock on coils i would say to try one of mesh coils 0.48ohm....yeah mesh is different experience and but maybe u liked it...who knows...after all in the nautilus the most popular is the 0.7ohm mesh coils so some like mesh for mouth to lung even tho for me i prefer wire coil...

To be honest in my opinion the z coils are not known for their best flavour but for their longevity and overrall decent performance that is ok its not bad coils even tho u are used to others....
Also there is a big part of what suits your style and airflow and draw...

Also since i rebuild those coils and have taken apart almost all of them i can say the cotton is pretty tight in there and myself before i started rebuilding those i was scratching the cotton on the wicking holes of the coil to make it fluffier and absorb better....
But then again i was vaping 70vg juice and its not convienient to do hack to make it work better...just saying..

Coil manufacturers have a hard to job to make a coil work from 70vg to 70pg juices without leaks or dry hits and thats actually impossible to do and get also great performance in my opinion...

 

[YoursTruli]

Thanks for the reply. Are you saying it got better in flavor after you used it for a bit? That is interesting and I wouldn’t expect that. I used mine for about 2 days and it honestly seemed to get worse. Eventually to tasting like I was vaping cotton. I am now back on the nautilus unfortunately as literally brand new coils with this zenith have little to no flavor from the very first hit. We are vaping cinnamon as well so you can imagine there is flavor there. Lol.

What wattage are you running at?

My norm is 9 - 10 I dropped it to 8.5 sometimes 8, still trying to dial it in. I did get better flavor after using the coil a bit and watt drop although at times it doesn't seem to be wicking well and I use a high PG eliquid so it's thin. I plan on playing around with it a lot more to see if I can figure this out better as I never ran across this issue before. I am using it on one of the new coolfire Z80, (which I absolutely love) and trying different levels in the new f(0) mode too. I have a few boxes of the 1.6 and 0.8 but holding off on getting more coils for now.

 

[Hawise]

Hi all, I’m her husband. I want to clarify a few things. We both feel the flavor is not on par to the nautilus bvc - not just me. With all the research i have done on the zenith this definitely doesn’t seem to be the norm in comparison. I have tried both the 1.6 and the 0.8 as the zenith came with a 0.8. Both have been terrible. It is like vaping water or something. Just very bland. I have dropped liquid directly in cotton to make sure it is wicking as well. I have adjusted wattage,etc. all the same results.

perhaps it is the liquid? We make our own and have done so for probably 7 years or longer. We do 16mg nicotine so it is not for sub-ohm. But again we have been on the nautilus for years and no problem and even comparing now with the same liquid, much more flavor with the nautilus. Unfortunately the coils from the nautilus are just very poor in longevity.

I expect one of the etceteras you adjusted was the airflow, but it's worth trying if you missed it. The Zeniths do have higher airflow options than the Nautilus.

Otherwise, @UncleJunkle's suggestion to try an earlier version Zenith or Zlide with your coils sounds good. You could also try increasing the flavouring in your juice, but I understand why you'd prefer to get your tank to work well if you can.

It's a pity the Nautilus coils are deteriorating as they've worked so well for you in the past. I've heard other complaints about them recently.

 

[Dalcow1080]

My norm is 9 - 10 I dropped it to 8.5 sometimes 8, still trying to dial it in. I did get better flavor after using the coil a bit and watt drop although at times it doesn't seem to be wicking well and I use a high PG eliquid so it's thin. I plan on playing around with it a lot more to see if I can figure this out better as I never ran across this issue before. I am using it on one of the new coolfire Z80, (which I absolutely love) and trying different levels in the new f(0) mode too. I have a few boxes of the 1.6 and 0.8 but holding off on getting more coils for now.

Okay then you are right around where I’m at with the wattage. I would agree with the wicking as I have noticed the same. My liquid is about 70-30(pg/vg). It seems just increasing the wattage for me increases the warmth of the bland taste. Haha. As for the mod, I absolutely love the Aegis and will likely buy a new one soon but the durability is a must for me as I am really hard on them so it has been my favorite. I may end up trying a different liquid with this zenith just to test as I can’t imagine the mod is the culprit for flavor from the tank.

 

[YoursTruli]

Okay then you are right around where I’m at with the wattage. I would agree with the wicking as I have noticed the same. My liquid is about 70-30(pg/vg). It seems just increasing the wattage for me increases the warmth of the bland taste. Haha. As for the mod, I absolutely love the Aegis and will likely buy a new one soon but the durability is a must for me as I am really hard on them so it has been my favorite. I may end up trying a different liquid with this zenith just to test as I can’t imagine the mod is the culprit for flavor from the tank.

Same here with 70PG/30VG. I believe it's the tank versus mod also as I tried the tank on different mods to see if I could dial in the flavor better since the Coolfire Z80 is new to me too and I'm unfamiliar with the new technology.

ETA: I haven't been experiencing any issues with the Nautilus 1.8 coils? Still my main.
I liked the look of the Coolfire Z80/Zenith II kit and wanted to try something new, yet familar. I do love the hand feel of the Z80 mod it fits so nice in my hand and so comfortable to use.

 

[vaper1960]

This is confusing. I have used the Aspire Nautilus X 1.8 coils (keep in mind they are a different design) and they had decent flavor, but have switched to Innokin Z coils (Kroma Z pod and Zlide) and using the 0.8 coils. Equal or better flavor (and on a side note... love the 0.3 coils for restricted DL) Something else is going on here. Do you have another mod to try these on (your pic shows a rather well used old "beater") I use the 0.8 coils at 16 watts (haven't tried the 1.6 coils buy many others here love them) They do seem to take a bit longer to saturate the wick (first time used... compared to the Aspire coils) but then work just fine. You haven't mentioned this, but what does the mod show for coil resistance (ohms)? I have one mod that seems to have issues with the 510 center pin connection (it's a Kanger K box and sometimes the center pin just doesn't make good contact with a tank and the resistance readings jump up/down) I doubt that's the issue but something to be aware of.
On a side note (since you have all those 1.6 coils) consider getting a Kroma Z pod/mod... love mine (but use the 0.8 and 0.3 coils in it) I also have a Zlide and had to drill out the airflow holes a bit (but I like much looser draw than most people... wish I had got the Zenith 2)

 

[vaper1960]

I feel stupid mentioning this, but just to be sure... the Z coils have flat spots that must be lined up with the tank (I know... just like to throw out everything that might help)

 

[FranC]

Same here with 70PG/30VG. I believe it's the tank versus mod also as I tried the tank on different mods to see if I could dial in the flavor better since the Coolfire Z80 is new to me too and I'm unfamiliar with the new technology.

ETA: I haven't been experiencing any issues with the Nautilus 1.8 coils? Still my main.
I liked the look of the Coolfire Z80/Zenith II kit and wanted to try something new, yet familar. I do love the hand feel of the Z80 mod it fits so nice in my hand and so comfortable to use.

I love the hand feel of the z80 too.

 

[rachpreach]

So I still have the same coil(1.6) in my zenith tank that I’ve used since getting this tank and I upped the wattage and I think it tastes way better. My husband is going to try to give it another go and be patient to see if the flavor will develop

 

[YoursTruli]

It's worth playing around with it to see if you can dial in better flavor

There is a member on here @tj99959 who's signature is:
"The biggest and most common mistake is buying product after product searching for that perfect vape
instead of learning how to get that perfect vape from the products you already have."
It's stuck with me since I read it way back when

 

[ppeeble]

Power, airflow, drip-tip, liquid viscosity, dimensions of atomiser...
Power is an obvious one - adjust up and down to suit.
Airflow can make a big difference to the flavour, try reducing to the least airflow that works.
Drip-tip dimensions can make a difference to percieved flavour - smaller bore tends to condense the taste and the shape and size can direct the vapour to different areas of the tongue (i use flat, small bore, 20mm long tips - works for me)
Liquid viscosity - sometimes thinner liquids (higher PG) can lead to more liquid being vaporised. More liquid = more taste.
Atomisers with bigger chimneys / bigger condensing chambers (the bell shaped bit that covers the coil) tend to be less flavoursome than smaller ones. Not a lot you can do about that though !
All-in-all, for me, it is airflow that makes the biggest difference.
I use both Nautilus and Zenith coils and would put the Z's ahead of the N's every time for flavour...

 

[Falconeer]

I've only just noticed this thread, hence the delay in offering any suggestions.

I am a long term Nautilus Mini user - 8 watts being my normal power level, using 1.6 ohm coils and 16 strength 70 VG 30 PG, 16 strength menthol chill liquid.

I also use Zeniths and Zlides - same power settings same coil rating same liquid etc ... but when I first got a Zenith I found it too "airy" and somewhat lacking in flavour.

Though I always used , Nautiluses with the airflow fully open, I found things improved greatly if I left only two to three holes open on the Zenith. I also discovered on this Forum that Zenith coils were noted for producing muted flavour when new and it could take a tank or two of liquid before the real flavour came through.

Hope this helps.

 

[tj99959]

It's worth playing around with it to see if you can dial in better flavor

There is a member on here @tj99959 who's signature is:
"The biggest and most common mistake is buying product after product searching for that perfect vape
instead of learning how to get that perfect vape from the products you already have."
It's stuck with me since I read it way back when

Did I really say that!!


damn, just said it again

 

[YoursTruli]

Ok so to report back After playing around with using the 1.6 coils for better than I week now sheer frustration at not being able to dial a better vape/flavor/wicking I popped in a 0.8 coil ... kinda night and day for me. Full flavor was there for me from the first draw. I did a bunch of web digging around and came upon those experiencing the same issue with the 1.6, no flavor, muted flavor, playdough-like flavor, poor wicking... and most answers said they experienced the same/simular issue and also the 1.6 takes a while to break in. Although away from my norm I will most likely stick with the 0.8 and still use the lower watts, at 9.5 now, even though recommend is 15-18 I've always gone with less watts than recommend, so far so good, but I will give this more time before investing much in coils.

 

[Territoo]

You could try to sell or trade the 1.6 coils on the classifieds. You won't be able to get what you paid for them, but perhaps you can recoup some of your money.

 

[Przemix]

This is confusing. I have used the Aspire Nautilus X 1.8 coils (keep in mind they are a different design) and they had decent flavor, but have switched to Innokin Z coils (Kroma Z pod and Zlide) and using the 0.8 coils. Equal or better flavor (and on a side note... love the 0.3 coils for restricted DL) Something else is going on here. Do you have another mod to try these on (your pic shows a rather well used old "beater") I use the 0.8 coils at 16 watts (haven't tried the 1.6 coils buy many others here love them) They do seem to take a bit longer to saturate the wick (first time used... compared to the Aspire coils) but then work just fine. You haven't mentioned this, but what does the mod show for coil resistance (ohms)? I have one mod that seems to have issues with the 510 center pin connection (it's a Kanger K box and sometimes the center pin just doesn't make good contact with a tank and the resistance readings jump up/down) I doubt that's the issue but something to be aware of.
On a side note (since you have all those 1.6 coils) consider getting a Kroma Z pod/mod... love mine (but use the 0.8 and 0.3 coils in it) I also have a Zlide and had to drill out the airflow holes a bit (but I like much looser draw than most people... wish I had got the Zenith 2)

16W on 0.8 coils? WOW!!!! mine coils would burn in 3 days If I had that setup. Im using INNokin Zlide coils with Zlide tank, 0.8 and max for me is 12 W I tried to go higher but then my juice started taste like burned cotton so I lowered to 10-12 Watts and now is ok, also my problem was that I filled juice all the way up and thats no good ! I had dry hits as well. When I prime it i fill only quarter juice and let it sit for a night and thenvape for few hrs, and have no problem or dry hits even after i fill it up 85% I tried 1.2 coils but didnt like it. 0.8is really perfect setup, exactly where I want to be. 1.2 feels for me like its restricted with precious vape cloud. 50/50 juice is perfect for 0.8 Z coils.

Kanger coils resistance jumping on mine too sometimes, have same issue.