ZFM Zero Filler Mod

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eclypse

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Try a shot gun pump with the cart pull it back and push it on 1 or 2 times that worked with one that was drying on me.. also a hard pull without ingnighting the atty will draw juice out too...:)

Ahh.. good name for that method! lol. i find myslef doing that a few times and always though to myself.. "What the hell would you call that to describe it better?"

Yeah shotgun or super soaker pumping action! hehe
 

Kurt

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Cool Kurt ... glad a Dimond shape is working for you.. there are alot of shapes and cuts that work.. some do a Slit.. some do a + some do a * P.Daffy has a neat # looks interesting, some do a 0 and + hybrid now we have a dimond to add to the list:D glad to hear its working for ya!:cool:

To make it easy, I first take the uncut condom, and pinch it so that the flat end is folded up and in half, then make a v-cut in the center of that, which makes the diamond hole. THEN I put it on the cart and cut the plug out tracing the inner wall with the xacto. Fast, easy, less chance of overcutting and ruining the condom. It seems any hole, about 2 mm wide, in the center will work. I made one where the hole was off to one side, and it flooded that atty and did not work well. Centered seems to be key.

I didn't think this mod would make vapor as well as with a full sponge filler, but whoa! The hits are fantastic the entire way through, some better than every before. I found it best to drip a couple drops on the bridge to get it going, but one can just load up and start with a few small puffs to get it going.

This changes everything. Now one can mix flavors within the cart. Haven't measured the volume possible with the straw, but about 0.75 mL seems right. Load up a few, put on condoms, put them in the case-logic, and you are good to go without taking out a dropper bottle for a LONG time. Looking for slightly larger drinking straws now, as the one I had was perhaps a touch on the small-diameter size.

I have Greensmoke cart condoms too. Probably like the larger condoms for other cartomizers. If we had some like this, but smaller diameter, which could insert into and fit snugly on the edges, this would be a very good mod too. So much that can be done with this concept!! :)
 

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I have an idea for using the left over cart-cap scrap for a comfort mod on a whistle tip. Once you've cut out the end of the cap, you can use what remains to slip over the whistle-tip mouthpiece. This feels more comfortable on my lips and allows you to more comfortably bite down on the tip with your teeth to hold in your mouth. It's so simple, I bet someone out there has already done this too, lol.
 

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Ahh.. good name for that method! lol. i find myslef doing that a few times and always though to myself.. "What the hell would you call that to describe it better?"

Yeah shotgun or super soaker pumping action! hehe

Super soaker would make more sence did not think about that...:D
 

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I finally got one working. Went to Walmart today and bought these little silicone bowls.
My first attempt a making the plug was a failure.:-x
Then I pressed my cart on paper and cut out the shape and then used it to cut the plug. This one worked. :)
It must not have been perfect because it's working without the vent straw.:)
So far, I like.:thumb:

Don't you just love Wal-Mart. If you have an old ink pad, you can dip the cart in that and make a perfect pattern to cut out. I didn't have one, so I rubbed the edge of the cart with a pencil, then pressed it to the silicone to make a pattern.

--Prof Daffy
 

SCOTTYBALLS

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Haven't tried it quite yet (but plan too) - just wondering if anyone's tried a second hole off to the side with a small straw through (I've seen that part mentioned) - but with some filler in the straw to still allow some air flow (but hopefully not leaks?)

Really dont need one just cut a small V in the side of plug there is a picture a few pages back but its been working really good..
 

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Scotty, I had already tried the v notch with my first moulded plug, but mine was in the end not the side, it gave me mouthfuls so I ditched it,. I'm about to cure another batch so I'll try one with a notch in the side, although I'm doing very well with the three plugs I'm using at the moment with various holes and slits.

This mod is a keeper for sure, it's giving me a good clean flavor, and good vapor to the end, even at 3.7v. A little more fine tuning perhaps, other than that, it's good to go. (801)
 

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Ok guys, this has to stop. I've been modding for 3 days now :) ... this is by far the best mod but it doesn't come without some trial and error (mostly error for me). My latest test with this mod includes the following.

I've been thinking about a way to keep this thing from leaking which has been my biggest problem. My second biggest problem has been the suction problem if I get a perfectly cut silicone cover. From the looks of it, this is the 2 major problems other folks are having. I do believe the silicone top from the existing carts is a good way to go (I didn't try the other kinds).

After reading through 40+ pages of notes and what people have hinted to and tried, I've tried something tonight that might (I say might because we've seen other "mights" before) work pretty good. It may not be perfect because I'm trying to work out the kinks (noted at the end), but read through this and I'm up for ANY modifications or ideas. So far, this is working fairly well.

This paragraph shouldn't be a surprise, just a recap:
Blue foam worked great for me by itself (thx eclipse), but it didn't have the exact same taste as this mod (this was better) and I kept having to replace the foam often. Poly-fill (the stuff that comes with carts or what you buy at Petsmart) works fine too, but you don't get the flavor or vapor production and only 1/4 of the cart ever gets used. Poly-fil seems to "hold" the liquids better (no leaks at all), but is a slow source. So here we go ..

This may be way overkill, but most of these mods typically end up that way anyway.

Step 1: Get your straw (I don't think mine is exactly 1/4", but it works) and cut it to about 15mm give or take 1mm like ScottBalls says. Place it in the bottom of the cart. This may take some trial and error because I didn't really measure it out exactly. You can always cut some more off.

Step 2: Take some poly-fill (probably can use what came in the original cart, but I use the Petsmart 100% polyester fish filter) and make a "string" out of it. I used my drill to hold one end and just spin the crap out of it over and over while holding one end to form sort of a yarn (on second thought, yarn might work pretty good)

Step 3: Form a circle or spiral or whatever you want to call it with the "string" and place it on top of the straw in a circle. This is what will keep it from leaking. The poly-fill absorbs the excess fluid around the edges but it's such a small amount it doesn't really stop the flow. If you can get it to only be on the outside, it would probably be best. I had some problems with this, but only tried once.

Step 4: Now put your silicone cover on (using the instructions ScottyBalls was). I ended up buying one of those rotary hole punches which works REALLY well on creating perfect holes in the silicone. I used the second from the smallest punch, but I'm about to try the third which is a little larger. With the poly-fill between the liquid and the silicone, it seems the atty should be able to actually fit inside the hole and not leak instead of sitting on top of it.

I think the overall goal will be to get the poly-fill to stay on the sides of the atty rather than almost covering the hole in the middle. That was my attempt with making it into yarn (which while typing this, I think I might try now). This way the atty touches the liquid and the poly keeps it from leaking out the sides. You should either get enough air on the sides of a non-perfect silicone top or if the whole is big enough for the atty to fit inside, it could get air from there.

So far, with the exact instructions (not the mods I've been thinking of while typing this) it works fairly well. The only thing I've noticed is it doesn't really "stay" wet while sitting on the table. I think when I make one with a bigger whole for the atty, this will resolve this problem. The poly-fill does seem to slow down the wicking to the atty, but again, I think it's the size of the hole which will be tested when I stop typing.

This is by no means "my idea". I got this from several posts from folks that have tried or thought of different things like this. I'm just throwing them all together. It's definitely not leaking and I definitely don't have "perfect" silicone cover which was my largest problem with this original mod. If I (or someone) can come up with an idea to get the atty more juice if my larger hole punch doesn't work, this could be a pretty sweet mod. The straw keeps the poly-fill from going any further down and it's just enough to create a barrier to keep it from leaking on the sides which is really it's only purpose.

I think it will be easiest to fill with a syringe which I've just ordered from the net. If I have any ground breaking ideas in the near future, I'll update. I'm kinda hoping some other folks can come up with a modification to this that would make it more efficient. It's easy to make since nothing really has to be perfect now, so that part is done.

Trying to come up with a name for this since everyone else has one. Since it's 3 layers I was thinking "Bottom Up Top Plug" ... but BUT PLUG didnt' sound very good 8-o. Maybe someone else will come up with something :)

Slyice

P.S. Sorry for no pictures, but pretty much everything is covered by other folks. The string/yarn part is the only new thing and it's pretty self explanatory.
 

Slyice

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Just a quick update. I ended up going with #4 on the punch. The atty in the 510 basically just sits inside it. It's not leaking at all and even seems to take pretty hard hit with no leaking. I think this will actually fix the leaking problem I've been dealing with. The whole is pretty large actually, but the poly is keeping the juice from coming out anywhere.

Wicking is pretty good ... I would say now that I've been using it a bit, it is probably getting better. This is probably because this poly is soaking up more of the juice since I'm reusing it and in my mod it's kinda touching the atty wick. I'm still sure there may be a "better" solution some of the genius minds on this board will come up with, but I'm pretty impressed so far. Also doesn't seem to be eating juice as much, but that might be because it's not leaking. Also, since the poly never gets close to the actual heating element because of the silicone surrounding the wick, it should never burn or get caught up in the atty (I'm using a 3.7v battery BTW).

Still trying to determine if it's as good as direct dripping or the original silicone mod without the poly in it, but it is definitely not leaking which was my major issue. Didn't even care if I got a perfect silicone cut this last time and it's still working great! I'm not going to get too excited until I keep this going for a few days, but I'm definitely happy with the results.

Would love to hear if anyone else tries this or has a better idea.

Slyice
 

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Ok .. another update here. I've made 3 of these now and they are working wonderfully. I even went back and used 2 of the old silicone caps I made that were leaking like crazy because they weren't "perfect" to make the 2 new cartidges. I've had zero leaks.

My only other concern previously was taste. It seemed a little dryer than the mod without the poly-fill. I ended up making the hole for the atty even larger by using the same #4 punch (from smallest to largest) and making the hole as an eclipse by punching some off the left and right of the original hole I made in the center. It basically just looks like an oblong silicone washer now which is really only keeping the poly-fil from going anywhere. My atty wick seems to fit inside of it entirely now and so far it's not leaking because the poly-fill is kind of circling it. Taste is much better because it's not just touching the juice, but is sitting in the middle of the small ring of poly-fil and kinda touching the juice directly I guess.

I just received some new juice (which is excellent BTW, but I don't think I'm supposed to mention any vendors) and it's a little thinner than my last. It's not leaking at all either.

I would LOVE to hear if anyone else is trying this. It's really made this mod top notch for me. Especially with the bigger hole. If anything changes, I'll update the forum.

Note: I just took off the cart to see if it looked like it's leaking even though I'm not noticing it. Looks very clean and it wasn't indented so I do think my atty wick is actually fitting inside it without pushing it down. Also, I find it much easier to put the little string/yarn I made inside the cart if it's wet. I just get it wet with e-juice and shape it in there. Make sure you line up the atty wick with the oblong whole that is made so it fits perfectly. Until I get my syringe to fill them with, I've been taking tweezers to remove the silicone top and poly-fil. It goes right back in with no problems.

Slyice
 

tulsatggr

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Its been awful quiet in this thread... has someone discovered a better mod than the ZFM? :confused:

(Clueless this morning.) :confused:

ALL of the plugs I have made work very well for the D shaped 901 cartridges, the liquid seems to last longer although I do get some leaking, overfilling i think. I'm getting very clean flavor now.
 

eclypse

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Its been awful quiet in this thread... has someone discovered a better mod than the ZFM? :confused:

(Clueless this morning.) :confused:

Could be 1 of 4 reasons..

1. There all satisfied!
2. They moved on to try something else.
3. Trying to perfect there own silicone mold prototype to mas produce it and make a ton of money.
4. Its the Holiday season and there all busy hunting for gifts! :)
 

Debbie

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I made one of these out of the cart tops and it worked great the first 2 times I used it. No leaking and great taste. I thought I had finally located the perfect solution.

And then on the third fill it leaked all over. I tried again and it leaked again. I had a harder time getting it to fit and stay.

I made one for hubby too. It worked great through 2 fillings. Then it leaked all over. Reset it and it leaked again.

I could no longer get them to work after the 2nd or 3rd fill. I wonder if the heat doesn't cause the piece to shrink???

Debbie
 

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Could be 1 of 4 reasons..

1. There all satisfied!
2. They moved on to try something else.
3. Trying to perfect there own silicone mold prototype to mas produce it and make a ton of money.
4. Its the Holiday season and there all busy hunting for gifts! :)

I'd opt for #4 ...I was out doing a bit of shopping myself. :)
 

sparky_ahs

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Is not option #4...

Anyways, earlier I posted that this is working well with my 510, I haven't been using it so no update but I did chain vape three carts with it during the test.

For my 801 (just came in this morning) it is great when I can get it to do more then give me the random shot of juice (one of the servings was enough to make me need to use mouth wash to get the taste out). I tried with both the 510 cart cap/straw and the glued on 801 cart cap with results being the same. The caps that came with the 801 are to thin to use it like the 510 cap.

Has anyone had any luck with the silicone curing plug for the 801?

Anyone with experience with the 801 style of this mod please let us know if there is a trick or how you have gotten it to work.
 
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