WARNING: THIS MAY BE YOUR LAST CHANCE TO STOCK UP ON VAPING PRODUCTS BEFORE THEY ARE PULLED FROM THE MARKET!
NOTE: THESE ARE MY PERSONAL NOTES. USE THEM TO YOUR BENEFIT TO SEE WHAT I AM BUYING, NOT THAT YOU WILL buy THE EXACT SAME PRODUCTS.
These posts cut through the ECF FDA Deeming threads that are more than 500 pages combined. This document is to get you talking abt what you need to do, and then jump in to the FDA Deeming threads. I'm sure that I missed many things and you are welcome to pour over them HERE.
I'm not finished stocking up. This is my main document for now.
Make a very short list with 5 specific items to work on obtaining. This is my needs list right now. Your list will be completely different. Read the documents below to see what I am doing.
This is what my short list looks like right now:
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AS SOON AS POSSIBLE
* 8 - RX200S
* 4 - Twisted Messes RDA Squared
* 8 - Replacement Parts for TMSquared RDA (TM²)
* 8 - Replacement Screws for TMSquared RDA (TM²)
* 8 - Twisted Messes RDA Squared BASES
* 50 - premade alien coils unless you plan to start making them today
* 1 - Scale
* Liters of PG(2), VG(4)
* order the bottles/glassware that you need for DIY
* look over the e-liquid recipie docs that I have, pick the top 5 recipies out, order the goods, and get cracking.
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Unless FDA Deeming Rules are changed vaping shops will close by the thousands across the USA, vaping related products will face shortages, costs will rise, and will probably be pulled from the marketplace at which time they will become unavailable.
This document is in response to the FDA Deeming Regulations/Laws, as well as State, County, City laws which come in to effect starting 08/08/2016 regarding tobacco products. Vaping, the products and e-liquids in their entirety have been declared tobacco products.
Shipping of tobacco products may be banned within the US. We are waiting to see what happens after 8/8/2016.
For buying goods from overseas, it has been reported that the FDA may already be cracking down on foreign vendors shipping to clients within the USA.
- ECF: @retired1 "The FDA has already sent letters out to the various shipping agencies. It's coming and it's coming fast."
- ECF: @retired1 "If it's an international shipment, the contents of the package are going to be on the customs slip. Anything e-cig related is slated for inspection starting next month."
- ECF: @retired1 "Bear in mind, after August 8th, all vape related items will be considered a restricted item (tobacco)."
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FDA DEEMING RULES (LINK) AND WHAT THEY MEAN TO YOU
--Vape goods being sold before 2007 can remain available indefinitely at this point in time
--After August 8, 2016 no new products or changes to existing products are allowed
--Manufacturers of ALL e-liquids or vaping related products will have up to two years to submit FDA PMTA applications for products that have come to market after April 15, 2007 (KNOWN AS THE PREDICATE DATE) so that they may be reviewed for fitness within the market in accordance with FDA intents and purposes for tobacco products.
--The FDA PMTA review process is estimated to take a year and cost as much as $1 million per product
--There will be very few PMTA applications submit with most (if not all) coming from Big Tobacco
--There is no way of knowing if the FDA will approve any PMTA applications, as in the past few new tobacco products have been allowed to be marketed as tobacco products after the initial set of FDA regulations became law
--For products not passing the PMTA process, they must be withdrawn from the market
--It is expected that scarcity or the lack of vaping products will occur across all segments of the market
THE RESPONSE
--Remove tobacco classification because vaping products are primarily 100% tobacco free
--Change the predicate date from April 15, 2007 to the current date in (2016/2017/...) for the Pre-Market Tobacco Applications process (PMTA).
--Requesting a Substantial Equivalence (SE) Report instead of PMTA, so that all products that are essentially similar in operation to that which has already been accepted to also be accepted and allowed to be sold
--Overturn the ban on FREE SAMPLES so that vendors can send samples out to vapers
THE WHY
ECF: @Mazinny, "By 2010, eighteen states, the District of Columbia, and three U.S. territories securitized some or all of their revenue entitlements from the MSA (TOBACCO: Master Settlement Agreement) payment schedule into bonds. The issued bonds totaled $40 billion and are backed by expected future MSA payments." (These bonds would eventually be worthless to the states if vaping continued to grow as it has b/c it is demolishing the market for cigarettes and has so far not been aggressively regulated or taxed.)
NOTE: THESE ARE MY PERSONAL NOTES. USE THEM TO YOUR BENEFIT TO SEE WHAT I AM BUYING, NOT THAT YOU WILL buy THE EXACT SAME PRODUCTS.
These posts cut through the ECF FDA Deeming threads that are more than 500 pages combined. This document is to get you talking abt what you need to do, and then jump in to the FDA Deeming threads. I'm sure that I missed many things and you are welcome to pour over them HERE.
I'm not finished stocking up. This is my main document for now.
Make a very short list with 5 specific items to work on obtaining. This is my needs list right now. Your list will be completely different. Read the documents below to see what I am doing.
This is what my short list looks like right now:
--------------------
AS SOON AS POSSIBLE
* 8 - RX200S
* 4 - Twisted Messes RDA Squared
* 8 - Replacement Parts for TMSquared RDA (TM²)
* 8 - Replacement Screws for TMSquared RDA (TM²)
* 8 - Twisted Messes RDA Squared BASES
* 50 - premade alien coils unless you plan to start making them today
* 1 - Scale
* Liters of PG(2), VG(4)
* order the bottles/glassware that you need for DIY
* look over the e-liquid recipie docs that I have, pick the top 5 recipies out, order the goods, and get cracking.
--------------------
Unless FDA Deeming Rules are changed vaping shops will close by the thousands across the USA, vaping related products will face shortages, costs will rise, and will probably be pulled from the marketplace at which time they will become unavailable.
This document is in response to the FDA Deeming Regulations/Laws, as well as State, County, City laws which come in to effect starting 08/08/2016 regarding tobacco products. Vaping, the products and e-liquids in their entirety have been declared tobacco products.
Shipping of tobacco products may be banned within the US. We are waiting to see what happens after 8/8/2016.
For buying goods from overseas, it has been reported that the FDA may already be cracking down on foreign vendors shipping to clients within the USA.
- ECF: @retired1 "The FDA has already sent letters out to the various shipping agencies. It's coming and it's coming fast."
- ECF: @retired1 "If it's an international shipment, the contents of the package are going to be on the customs slip. Anything e-cig related is slated for inspection starting next month."
- ECF: @retired1 "Bear in mind, after August 8th, all vape related items will be considered a restricted item (tobacco)."
---------------------------------------------------------
FDA DEEMING RULES (LINK) AND WHAT THEY MEAN TO YOU
--Vape goods being sold before 2007 can remain available indefinitely at this point in time
--After August 8, 2016 no new products or changes to existing products are allowed
--Manufacturers of ALL e-liquids or vaping related products will have up to two years to submit FDA PMTA applications for products that have come to market after April 15, 2007 (KNOWN AS THE PREDICATE DATE) so that they may be reviewed for fitness within the market in accordance with FDA intents and purposes for tobacco products.
--The FDA PMTA review process is estimated to take a year and cost as much as $1 million per product
--There will be very few PMTA applications submit with most (if not all) coming from Big Tobacco
--There is no way of knowing if the FDA will approve any PMTA applications, as in the past few new tobacco products have been allowed to be marketed as tobacco products after the initial set of FDA regulations became law
--For products not passing the PMTA process, they must be withdrawn from the market
--It is expected that scarcity or the lack of vaping products will occur across all segments of the market
THE RESPONSE
--Remove tobacco classification because vaping products are primarily 100% tobacco free
--Change the predicate date from April 15, 2007 to the current date in (2016/2017/...) for the Pre-Market Tobacco Applications process (PMTA).
--Requesting a Substantial Equivalence (SE) Report instead of PMTA, so that all products that are essentially similar in operation to that which has already been accepted to also be accepted and allowed to be sold
--Overturn the ban on FREE SAMPLES so that vendors can send samples out to vapers
THE WHY
ECF: @Mazinny, "By 2010, eighteen states, the District of Columbia, and three U.S. territories securitized some or all of their revenue entitlements from the MSA (TOBACCO: Master Settlement Agreement) payment schedule into bonds. The issued bonds totaled $40 billion and are backed by expected future MSA payments." (These bonds would eventually be worthless to the states if vaping continued to grow as it has b/c it is demolishing the market for cigarettes and has so far not been aggressively regulated or taxed.)
