Are Propylene Glycol or Vegetable Glycerine necessary?
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You'd be sick as a dog if you vaped "pure" nicotine juice if you mean something like 36mg nic juice it's already been cut down to 36mg using either PG or VG.
The nicotine is suspended in PG and/or VG with the nicotine level listed in mg per ml. The PG/VG is vaporized by the atomizer as it acts as a coolant to the heating element (why you should always keep your atty wet). So, without PG/VG you would be basically be burning concentrated nicotine with a car cigarette lighter. In my amateur opinion by burning pure nicotine and inhaling it - you would almost certainly die of Acute Nicotine Poisoning (assuming you're able to absorb it that fast through your lungs, I'm not a doctor or chemist my any means).
from wikipedia on Acute Nicotine Poisoning:
Sixty milligrams of nicotine, the amount in about five cigarettes or half a cigar, has the potential to kill an adult who is not a smoker if all of the nicotine were absorbed. 0.5-1.0 mg/kg can be a lethal dosage for adult humans, and 10 mg for children. It is impossible, however, to overdose on nicotine through smoking alone (though a person can overdose on nicotine through a combination of nicotine patches, nicotine gum, and/or tobacco smoking at the same time.)
If you didn't die immediately, you could look forward to some of these wonderful symptoms: Abdominal cramps; Agitation, restlessness, or excitement; Muscular twitching; Breathing - rapid; Breathing - stops; Burning sensation in mouth; Coma; Confusion; Convulsions; Depression; Difficulty breathing; Drooling; Fainting; Headache; Heartbeat - pounding and rapid, followed by slow heart rate; High blood pressure; Vomiting; Weakness.
I don't know anyone who has tried anything above 48mg. 42 mg's in my sweet spot, but that's really, really high for most people. 48 usually gives me a headache and almost instant hiccups (one of the first symptoms of mild nicotine poisoning), 42 is even a little too high for me if I'm chain vaping for hours, giving me an anxious, skin tingling feeling. But chain smoking 4-5 analogs, which was not uncommon for me on a lunch break or when under high stress, would also give me those symptoms.
Long story short: there are less painful ways to kill yourself.
from wikipedia on Acute Nicotine Poisoning:
Sixty milligrams of nicotine, the amount in about five cigarettes or half a cigar, has the potential to kill an adult who is not a smoker if all of the nicotine were absorbed. 0.5-1.0 mg/kg can be a lethal dosage for adult humans, and 10 mg for children. It is impossible, however, to overdose on nicotine through smoking alone (though a person can overdose on nicotine through a combination of nicotine patches, nicotine gum, and/or tobacco smoking at the same time.)
If you didn't die immediately, you could look forward to some of these wonderful symptoms: Abdominal cramps; Agitation, restlessness, or excitement; Muscular twitching; Breathing - rapid; Breathing - stops; Burning sensation in mouth; Coma; Confusion; Convulsions; Depression; Difficulty breathing; Drooling; Fainting; Headache; Heartbeat - pounding and rapid, followed by slow heart rate; High blood pressure; Vomiting; Weakness.
I don't know anyone who has tried anything above 48mg. 42 mg's in my sweet spot, but that's really, really high for most people. 48 usually gives me a headache and almost instant hiccups (one of the first symptoms of mild nicotine poisoning), 42 is even a little too high for me if I'm chain vaping for hours, giving me an anxious, skin tingling feeling. But chain smoking 4-5 analogs, which was not uncommon for me on a lunch break or when under high stress, would also give me those symptoms.
Long story short: there are less painful ways to kill yourself.
I've read about making tobacco juice by basically slowly boiling tobacco and water, i don't think it would be anywhere near as strong as nic juice, but I guess i understand about keeping the atomizer cooler. I am new with the e cig but have had a vaporizer for other stuff in the past and with it i didn't have to add anything, and was just curious.
The tars in the tobacco would quickly contaminate your atomizer. There's a thread on the board about juice that contains more of the essence of tobacco and contains more maoi. Search for MAOI.
This link talks about tobacco based juices
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ne-maois-towards-more-effective-e-liquid.html
This link talks about tobacco based juices
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ne-maois-towards-more-effective-e-liquid.html
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