Personal attacks are unnecessary Trog, I was asking a simple consumer question.
It's no wonder you have so many enemies, you go out of your way to make them.
dodgy polls..
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Personal attacks are unnecessary Trog, I was asking a simple consumer question.
It's no wonder you have so many enemies, you go out of your way to make them.
who says the voters are gonna follow the rules.. my cute little twitchy nosed mouse..
trog
I was surprised to see any screwdriver votes, having not seen a bad word said about it (I own one, but have no loyalties and regard it as a DSE901 with a kick-... power source). Then again, we were all surprised to see the minifogger appear.
We can only hope that visitors stick around long enough to read more than a single poll, to get a more well-rounded opinion.
What we really need is a public poll where people can say which they have AND which of those they would not recommend. Complicated that would be, of course.
We can only hope that visitors stick around long enough to read more than a single poll, to get a more well-rounded opinion.
What we really need is a public poll where people can say which they have AND which of those they would not recommend. Complicated that would be, of course.
when i saw one i thought fake.. when i saw five i knew %100 fake... he he he
someone is taking the p-ss... he he
trog
The only questions I usually ask you are straight ones and you rarely give a straight answer, you are shifty beyond measure. One of your tactics for avoiding particular issues is to make personal attacks so you don't have to deal with inconvenient truths.
You're attacking again on this thread. All you had to do was to answer my query but you decided you were ready for a fight instead.
Hey Trog - I'm not sure exactly why your undergarments seem to have got so tangled...
the dispreference poll was meant to be a companion poll to the preference poll. If you look at the latter, the Screwdriver did very well, the third most popular, right behind the kissbox (that the 901 is the most popular is unsurprising, since it's the one most people own).
Even if one thought all of the dispreference votes were genuine, that would still be a ratio of 17:5, which is still overwhelming positive. As an otherwise uninformed consumer looking at the two polls, I would see this as indicating that the screwdriver would definitely be a device to consider (and based on the video reviews of the s/d I've seen, something I would indeed personally consider, but, trog, I'm waiting for you to design a heavy-duty atomiser to go along with your heavy-duty battery
)I think in polls one needs to allow for some error (including deliberate misrepresentation) -- but they still seem to be useful. They reveal, unsurprisingly, that the 901 is the most popular (since many people own it), and that the kissbox and s/d are also very well liked overall. More surprisingly, they reveal that the peewee/supermini is not so well liked -- and that's useful information.
As a compromise between 'onymous' preference/dispreference polls (which some people might feel worried about) and the danger of trolls in anonymous polls -- what about a non-anonymous ownership poll, correlated with anonymous preference/dispreference polls?
The trouble is though, we've not seen a single negative review for some of the e-cigs appearing in that list.
i was surprised to see so many votes for the screwdriver after seeing nothing but glowing reviews for it on forum...if those votes were true,then in proportion to sales,the screwdriver would be the most unsatisfactory ecig on the market...
i find this hard to believe,going by the only real evidence we have-owners public opinions and reviews-many from well known and trusted forum members...so if there are 5 unsatisfied forum members who would go so far as to say they wouldnt recommend it,then why havnt they said anything?
i only know of one person who wasnt satisfied,he voiced this on the forum,and it was sent back for repair with no unsavoury repercussions...so i dont buy that people are scared to voice any dissatisfaction in public...and i also think Trog is a man of his word...
i like privacy,and other polls can be private....but in light of this forums recent troubles,any poll of this nature should be public...even if people arent abusing it,its open to accusation of abuse...
i find this hard to believe,going by the only real evidence we have-owners public opinions and reviews-many from well known and trusted forum members...so if there are 5 unsatisfied forum members who would go so far as to say they wouldnt recommend it,then why havnt they said anything?
i only know of one person who wasnt satisfied,he voiced this on the forum,and it was sent back for repair with no unsavoury repercussions...so i dont buy that people are scared to voice any dissatisfaction in public...and i also think Trog is a man of his word...
i like privacy,and other polls can be private....but in light of this forums recent troubles,any poll of this nature should be public...even if people arent abusing it,its open to accusation of abuse...
Thing is the wording of that poll is a bit vague. It doesn't ask which device you're least happy with just which one you wouldn't recommend. I have the SD and I'm happy with it but I haven't recommended it to friends. The reason for this is they are new to e-smoking and want to try it for the first time. If I advised them to buy a hundred quid device that looks nothing like a ... with a big button on the end of it they'd tell me to piss off.
That's how I read the poll initially anyway, it wasn't until I perused the coments that I realised it was a satisfaction poll.
That's how I read the poll initially anyway, it wasn't until I perused the coments that I realised it was a satisfaction poll.
Jesus...
OK, my intent was for the poll to yield some useful data for someone new to e-cigarettes (what should they start out with?) and get some idea how many people are genuinely satisfied/dissatisfied with their equipment, not just which one is the most commonly owned. I think Trog's thrown the baby out with the bathwater here. At this point, I know that if I were an unhappy screwdriver owner (theoretical though such a creature may be), I'd certainly rather not vote it down publically on the off chance that Trog start harrassing me.
I re-iterate my previous exhortation: Make a better poll. There's certainly need for SOME sort of up-to-date device preference poll.
EDIT: I see Steve's done just that. Thanks Steve.
OK, my intent was for the poll to yield some useful data for someone new to e-cigarettes (what should they start out with?) and get some idea how many people are genuinely satisfied/dissatisfied with their equipment, not just which one is the most commonly owned. I think Trog's thrown the baby out with the bathwater here. At this point, I know that if I were an unhappy screwdriver owner (theoretical though such a creature may be), I'd certainly rather not vote it down publically on the off chance that Trog start harrassing me.
I re-iterate my previous exhortation: Make a better poll. There's certainly need for SOME sort of up-to-date device preference poll.
EDIT: I see Steve's done just that. Thanks Steve.
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The original thread was a good idea judas but very open to misuse and trog has a right to defend his product like all sellers on here.
The new poll is much better as would also love to here why people hate certain devices
And cowards should not be allowed to post or speak in my world
The new poll is much better as would also love to here why people hate certain devices
And cowards should not be allowed to post or speak in my world
whats with this harrassing rubbish... can we have less of it please.. it really is complete bollix.. its me that gets harrised not the other way around..
the bunnies have sharp teeth and there are plenty waiting for the chance.. the buggers scare me to death..
trog
... I wish I could scare you to death ... that'd be cool
and you deserve it, nasty little man.
anybody with the slightest amount of common sense can read the history of your posts and come the conclusion that you are only in it for the money and anything that effects that must be attacked and discredited
trog
you have manufacturer under your name yet dont want to be named in a poll because your not now ?
people who make a diy item the same as your diy item are to ridiculed in open posts and pm's as no good undercutting ruin it for everyone ie YOU profit takers
ive defended your item in pm's from people asking about mine
telling them to buy yours over my home made job
it must be a ..... to live with an ego like yours
ive had enough , i have my opinion , yours is obvious too
trog
you have manufacturer under your name yet dont want to be named in a poll because your not now ?
people who make a diy item the same as your diy item are to ridiculed in open posts and pm's as no good undercutting ruin it for everyone ie YOU profit takers
ive defended your item in pm's from people asking about mine
telling them to buy yours over my home made job
it must be a ..... to live with an ego like yours
ive had enough , i have my opinion , yours is obvious too
lifes a ..... aint it.. i like that one kate.. "nasty little man" can i add it to "racist thug" and "sad old git.." all sweet names u have called me in the past.. he he
u just love playing word games my witch finder general supreme.. u just cant stand to lose em thow..
but in the usual way of this place some people can do as they like with nary a word said against them..
as for in it to make money... perhaps now it plays a part.. it never used to do thow.. i have only just started selling things..
i dont like to see the things i sell knocked ether by commercial interests or simply because some people just want to knock me...
and sadly your last comment about wishing u really could scare me to death kate is probably true... if u could i am sure u would..
anyway my initial concerns were quite valid and anyone who cant see they were is blind thru choice.. but i knew when i voiced them i would get sh-t.. its par for the course on this not overly friendly place so full of vested interests.. ..
trog
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