Philip Morris Making A Move

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Not quite directly what we are doing when we say e-cigarette. But it is within the entire vape universe. Some will grumble but Philip Morris making reduced risk claims in other markets for what amounts to dry leaf style is encouraging to me.

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I have doubts that this particular product is a game changer. There are a lot of advantages to liquid based vaping, including low cost. What inspires me about this situation is the CEO saying he'd like to see his company doing so well with lower risk alternatives that combustible tobacco products can be retired. This expressed goal hugely complicates the debate for the anti crowd. A month or two after I started vaping I argued vaping could put an end to the "Tobacco Age" and the big tobacco companies know that. Well now they are saying it. That has to be good.
 

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I have doubts that this particular product is a game changer. There are a lot of advantages to liquid based vaping, including low cost. What inspires me about this situation is the CEO saying he'd like to see his company doing so well with lower risk alternatives that combustible tobacco products can be retired. This expressed goal hugely complicates the debate for the anti crowd. A month or two after I started vaping I argued vaping could put an end to the "Tobacco Age" and the big tobacco companies know that. Well now they are saying it. That has to be good.
Excepting that they want to control how the game plays out.
 

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Excepting that they want to control how the game plays out.

IF indeed, combustible tobacco products were to go bye-bye, knowing the harm they do, I'd say that would be a boon for all of humanity.

To be honest, a few outfits in the "vape industry" I've dealt with I'd trust about as far as I could throw 'em, based on some dealings I've had.

Control issues in every sphere of life is not something that will ever go away, on that you can be sure, esp. when there is $$ involved. :)
 

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Excepting that they want to control how the game plays out.

So ONLY the tobacco companies want to control how the game plays out? ;)

I've been alive way too long, and watched politics (both nationally, internationally, and in the workplace) way too long, not to know that that's the "secret endgame" for most every corporation, company, politician, nation-state, etc. Heck, at a few of my jobs, I can guarantee there were quite a number of people hoping to climb over my "dead body" to get my office, promotion, etc.

I'm a realist. If there was no "Big Tobacco" then there would be "Big Vaping". meh. Eventually, all the same stuff would play out, just in a little different time and era and pattern.
 

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So ONLY the tobacco companies want to control how the game plays out? ;)

I've been alive way too long, and watched politics (both nationally, internationally, and in the workplace) way too long, not to know that that's the "secret endgame" for most every corporation, company, politician, nation-state, etc. Heck, at a few of my jobs, I can guarantee there were quite a number of people hoping to climb over my "dead body" to get my office, promotion, etc.

I'm a realist. If there was no "Big Tobacco" then there would be "Big Vaping". meh. Eventually, all the same stuff would play out, just in a little different time and era and pattern.
Same game has been played out time and again through history, agreed. It really sucks to see a government agency so blatantly used to hijack an entire industry that was already in the early stages of self regulation and standards. Granted, there are /were a lot of players in the game who are only interested in the quick buck. But there are also some dedicated companies providing quality goods to the best of what is currently understood about these products from a health standard. There is a lot of innovation and rapid progress in tech that will be severely stifled under the new regulations. BT toyed with these products way back and ultimately walked away from them, only to see a rouge market emerge and blow up in their faces, and instead of digging in and doubling down on their efforts to get up with the times and get into the game, they latched onto lame and ineffective products in a half baked effort to compete, only to see the market growing larger and larger, in swoops the FDA to crush that market, and hand the crumbs over to the huge corporations which so far have pretty much failed at the game. This is not a normal market progression, it is an outright cartel type of business model.
 

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What I wonder about is the harm reduction threshold is it like the so called Low Tar cigarettes? Maybe a 1% lower level of harm but that does make it lower. Another thing I do not like is that these new devices use tobacco and most probably all the wonderful addictive chemicals that BT adds to tobacco to keep you coming back for more.

Now these are just my opinion and no hard facts or scientific evidence so take it for what it is.
 

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There's no difference between IQOS and any of the multitudes of existing models which have been available worldwide for years ?. The user inserts a substance inside a chamber and applies heat to extract the moisture in the form of an aerosol. A user could take out the "stubby cigarette" and replace it with "something else". And vice versa, existing devices which are used for certain unmentionable substances could be used to extract an aerosol from tobacco.

This is just Phillip Morris flogging tobacco disguised as an e cig !. In a device which in most cases is used for something else entirely. And all the time people are buying the IQOS they are still purchasing tobacco from the Phillip Morris Tobacco company.

I wouldn't buy one for the simple reason it's got Tobacco in it.

If Phillip Morris could flog Tobacco to energy companies to keep the turbines turning they would.

Buy an IQOS today and help support the Tobacco industry.
 

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I wouldn't buy one for the simple reason it's got Tobacco in it.

Buy an IQOS today and help support the Tobacco industry.

This is the same reason why I do not vape NET or WTA in my e-Liquid. For those who want to more power to you and no objections from me but I will not.
 
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There's no difference between IQOS and any of the multitudes of existing models which have been available worldwide for years ?. The user inserts a substance inside a chamber and applies heat to extract the moisture in the form of an aerosol. A user could take out the "stubby cigarette" and replace it with "something else". And vice versa, existing devices which are used for certain unmentionable substances could be used to extract an aerosol from tobacco.

This is just Phillip Morris flogging tobacco disguised as an e cig !. In a device which in most cases is used for something else entirely. And all the time people are buying the IQOS they are still purchasing tobacco from the Phillip Morris Tobacco company.

I wouldn't buy one for the simple reason it's got Tobacco in it.

If Phillip Morris could flog Tobacco to energy companies to keep the turbines turning they would.

Buy an IQOS today and help support the Tobacco industry.
Considering it's almost certainly much less harmful than combustible tobacco, what would you say to those smokers who haven't been able to quit using other methods ( including vaping ) ?
 

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    This is the same reason why I do not vape NET or WTA in my e-Liquid. For those who want to more power to you and no objections from me but I will not.
    Just because it has tobacco in it doesn't mean it's a BT product. You can grow the stuff in your back yard. Most of the NETs I know of use stuff from pipe and cigar specialists.
     
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