From WTA to ATA (2)

kinabaloo;11839171 said:

DVap - The history behind WTA. which you have written me out of, said that the problem with traditional NRTs, including vaping, was that it dide not take into account the full spectrum of alkaloids.

Purity is a different matter. A NET is a WTA, no question.

You are redefing WTA as a OTA (Only tabocco alkaloids) - you are free to do that. but either coin a new phrase or acknowledge that you are re-writing the definition. I will no longer promote 'WTA'because I think it has been claimed for commercial benefit.

I have long championed 'all tobacco alkaloids' (lets term it ATA), but cannot condone the revision of WTA you desire.

To my mind, a NET may be impure (not only alkaloids) but is still far from combusted tobacco. Far from.

I'd be fine with anyone purchasing what you call true WTA; I use the tceight method (variation on) for pure WTA and recommend that over a NET (for only a little more work). But I support NETs over smoking any day.

In short, I endorse ATA (including WTA) but I don't endorse the belittling of alternatives that clearly are working for many people.

I support what works for you - whatever it may be (SNUS or even pharma NRT if it does the trick) - if it is combustion free, you have made the major enhancement right there. The cold ethanol extraction is not as good as the base-acid (pure alkaloids) method, but not so far off that I would make any fuss about it. That you can't bring yourself to acknowledge this speaks volumes to me.

If you think NETs contain something particularly detrimental over the myriad alkaloids, let's hear it. I may reconsider, but without a reason to reconsider, I see not that great a difference.

I value DVaps's input nonetheless; just have to say when I disagree. We probably agree on more than we disagree and that goes silently by. But I strongly disagree on this.

I wish the commercial ventures well - i really do - it is good for humanity. But I also wish everyone who finds their own way success too ...

If you have tried everything else and having problems quitting smoking, try an ATA (such as WTA), especially if you;re not a 'hands on' person who could make it oneself; no gurantee, but it might well be what you need.

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ps : For well over a year I have linked to the 'e-liquid test kit' as seen below - I have never had any association with that whatsoever; it is linked only as i thought it a useful product. Note: it will not work with NETs as the alkaloids are in salt (acid+base=salt+water if you remember from school days) form. The alkaloids are there, but not easily measurable.

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Just read the post 2 above - it is clear that 'WTA' was intended from the beginning as a proprietary term. Hence, I dissasociate from it completely and suggest ATA (all tobacco alkaloids) as the proper scientific term.

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