I only use FlavourArt Shade at about 8%. I make it 250ml at a time and add 1.5ml FA vape Wizard and .5ml FA Black Fire (BBQ). Comes out as a very mild tobacco to me. That's the trouble with flavors; depends on the person. I tried all kinds of flavors but I am like you and did not want any sweetness in the mix. Just wanted an ADV that would replace smoking.