Product Compatibility in the Electronic Cigarette Industry

An idea has been brewing in my mind for a while. Until now, I had hoped that it was something I could start, something I could put together and show people and say hey, this is my contribution to vaping. However, I don't have the resources or skills to do this, so I want to pass the idea on to those who might.
Sometimes, and I think this is especially true for new vapers, people buy things based on a whim. When I was new to vaping, I bought a mod because I liked how it looked, before doing any research into what that device was capable of and whether its feature set was appropriate to my other gear or personal style of vaping. It turned out to be fine, partly because at that time there were far fewer options than there are today, but also because I was lucky. However, I didn't know that it was widely regarded as having a limited lifespan, so when it died I was terribly disappointed, as well as being out sixty bucks.
But vapers of all levels now have a fantastic array of options. Much of the gear sold over the last few years is still available, and many of the articles and videos of the past give advice that was appropriate then, but might not be as relevant now, though they are still easily found.
For instance, when I first got into 'big battery' mods, the AW IMR battery was widely touted as the safest and best battery you could get. I bought two, an 18650 and an 18350. I still use them and they have lasted much longer than I ever thought they would. However, if someone bought an AW 18650 now and put it into a mech mod with a very low resistance atomizer on it, it would fry because it only has a ten amp limit.
So here's my idea: An online database of sorts, in which every product, new and old, is represented. Each piece of gear would show the end user of the database exactly what other products are considered safe and compatible with that product. Anyone from consumers to vape store employees could easily check to see what other gear was appropriate for any item they chose. They could look up a mod and instantly see what kind of batteries would be safe to use in it, and with what atomizers, and what's recommended with regards to their juice options.
The extension of this database would be a simple coding system that manufacturers could add to their packaging, which would enable every vaper, no matter what their level of experience or internet access, to know right away if the mod, battery, topper and juice they are buying will work together, either before they go shopping or at the point of sale.
Granted, some products would cross between categories, which is why I propose that there should be only four. I call them 'Stages'. The reason I chose 'stages' instead of 'levels', is because it doesn't sound like a judgement or a race. Like this: Stage Red would be something like non-replaceable stick batteries with no more than a 3 amp limit, and clearos with a resistance of 1.5 ohms or higher. Stage Blue would be regulated mods that go up to 15 watts or so, and toppers like Protanks and Evods. Stage Green would be regulated mods and their respective toppers that go beyond 20 or 30 watts, and Stage Yellow would be mechanical mods and rebuildables.
Stage Red would of course be accompanied by a big red square. It's the most common favorite color, and used in so many other ways to mean the extreme, or ultimate goal. This would help attract new vapers who think, for whatever reason, that they deserve better than 'n00b gear'. Calling it Beginner or Level One, on the other hand, might put some new vapers in the position of feeling embarrassed, which I believe the system should strive to avoid. Not every smoker is willing to walk into a vape shop and say 'I'm new to this vaping thing, tell me what to buy'.
To further illustrate this point, think of how many times you bought some electronics, like a new phone or stereo, and didn't read the manual before turning it on and pushing buttons because you thought you could figure it out on your own. If you're like me, then that number would equal the number of electronic devices you own, because I'm a bit of tech geek and never read manuals. Until later, when I realize I'm not as smart as I thought I was.
Each stage and its color might also contain other symbols to further distinguish it in case it crosses into compatibility with other stages. A 30 amp battery can still be used with a mod that only puts out 15 watts, for example. So maybe a mostly Stage Green product that could work with a Stage Blue device could have a bold green stripe through it. Something to indicate that it's backwards compatible with Stage Blue, but mostly meant for Stage Green.
Most importantly, this system should be very easy to understand. It shouldn't alienate or cause presumption, but only inform. Simply and directly.
I've recently heard stories on this forum about people who went into a vape shop and were sold incompatible gear which could have resulted in catastrophe had they not consulted other forum users before using these products together; and I've heard people who work at vape shops complain that they mostly spend their work hours saying the same things over and over, telling newbies what's what. I think this system might help put an end to those unfortunate things, and help everyone make safer, better choices, and help eliminate careless errors.
Cigarettes were so easy. You knew pretty quickly if you preferred lights or menthols. You didn't have to bookmark a website with an ohms law calculator, join a forum or spend a week watching videos on youtube to buy and immediately use that product. And I'm not saying those educational resources aren't incredibly valuable, or suggesting that they be eliminated. On the contrary. I believe that reviewers and forums are still a necessary part of vaping culture and experience. They act as a support group to those in need of information as well as helping people get through the very serious and painful process of ending an addiction. The withdrawal symptoms might be considerably lessened by vaping, but I know from personal experience that they are still there, and still very difficult to overcome without some guidance and the occasional shoulder to lean on. The Stage system could help alleviate some of the workload as more and more people switch, but ultimately it's meant to improve safety and make vaping more attractive and easier to get into for everyone who wants to.
Please comment and let me know how you feel about this idea, and/or feel free to make a stunning presentation we could share with the vaping world as to how this could work. I know we're all worried about the FDA and others who seek to stop vaping in its tracks, but even with all that's going on, there are still constant innovations and new products coming out, and I think it would help us all if there was a way to make them more accessible. Because the more of us there are, the stronger we get.

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I'm too new to do a blog post of my own as a response, so this is a lengthy brain-dump of a comment....

While I think this is a wonderful idea, and I am someone with skills to create such an online database from a coding/development and engineering stand point. However, there are several major hurdles/issues involved.

Say we take a Tugboat RDA - great. Yet there are how many "clones" out there, many of which don't claim "clone" status, are manufactured differently (different materials, different contact design, post design, well design), some with less care/clearance/variance control. Now each of these doesn't seem that big of a deal to some, but a different post design or a different grade of stainless steel could produce an ohm difference that could become catastrophic, in theory and practice. Someone sees that a Tugboat works with a King Mech Mod and an Efest 18650 IMR battery.

They go get said setup, but since so damn many sources buy 10,000s of Efest batteries, there's a generic description on the battery and site in terms of model numbers, coding etc. Read any of the battery forums and you find this. So the Efest 18650 battery they got isn't the 20A continuous drain and it goes boom. We need absolute and specific product numbers/data from manufacturers with reliable supply chain management for this happen for all products, right? This is just a simple example of a battery that could be catastrophic due to product/part numbers that seem rapidly changing.

That then leads to concern that follows: I have a Nemesis Mod with a eFest IMR battery. Does it work with the Tugboat? Sure it does. But a Nemesis Mod Clone with Tugboat Clone spells a completely different experience, a completely different safety factor. Why? Cheap manufacturing = less control over variances, imperfections and quality in general. So the clones could add a 1toN of unknowns into the exact configuration, depending on manufacturing origin, tolerances and so on. Some clones barely fit together due to poor tolerances. So, in theory, they work, but in reality? Without testing them...who knows.

This sort of control over what manufacturers get listed then becomes tedious, taxing and overwhelming to requiring near hands on experience with each product, from each vendor to know 100% what it is, how it's made, the characteristics and compatibility.

Does it list clones, generic/unknown import brands? If so, which ones? Where does that data come from? The claims on the box/packaging of the products? The website of the retailer selling it (where did they get the info)? For a database like this to truly work and provide accurate and safe recommendations/combinations the product data would need to be clean, clear and highly accurate. That just doesn't truly exist in the industry yet, even for US made products it's scarce, and I doubt some unknown overseas factory is going to provide accurate specs.

I know you attempted to answer this withe extension being a manufacturer "code" that classifies the products. That then sounds like it would need to be a consortium that was put into place by an independent, non-profit alliance, either between manufacturers or user-groups and manufacturers and have specific guidelines, regulations etc for the product data formats, testing/validation/verification of manufacturer claims (near anyone can spin off 10,000-100,00 mod clones from a factory overseas for minimal investment and sell them, right? thus begging the need to standardized testing/validation/verification of standard product data in standard format).

Think about computers - the JPEG group defined a standard for imaging. The same would need to be done for this to ever be successful. Standard data points, testing methodologies, manufacturing practices and so on. Yet, that likely means things that lead to regulation of vaping before this level of cooperation, data exchange and publishing happens between manufacturers, vendors, and users.

Honestly I love the concept and would love to see it happen, if not even help make it happen. I see it being a very long, hard uphill battle to accomplish though and not likely to be successful unless some big names in vaping and/or manufacturers get involved voluntarily.
 
Thank you, suckerpunch, for your thoughtful reply. I realize there are problems with this system. I purposely put this up before I had fleshed out all the details, hoping to start this very dialogue. Phil Busardo was kind enough to read it and made some very valuable comments, too, and along similar lines.
As far as mechanicals and RDA's go, I would say it's best to just lump rebuilding stuff into it's own 'buyer beware' category and provide links to all the information that's already out there on that particularly complicated subject. The system as it is in my blog couldn't possibly cover all the bases. It would require an extra layer of caveats with regards to battery amp limits and build resistance.
Phil brought up an important point that, from an administrative point of view, it would be a nightmare to keep it up, due to the sheer number of new products and the speed at which they're coming out. It would take time and money to keep it going and make it accurate. My thinking is that one way around that would be an open source situation in which new entries could be voted on and placed in their respective categories that way, like a kind of wiki. But still, it would probably require full cooperation of manufacturers and vendors, which might be very difficult to get. And, it would be very slow.
Some of the new sub-ohm tanks are showing their recommendations for useable wattage ranges on the pre-built coils that are sold for use with those devices, and think that's a very good start. But I can't help think about the folks like me whose eyesight renders that bit of information practically useless. Stuff like that just makes me feel that a more high-profile system needs to be in place, and one that can be accessed by anyone. My first thought was a simple pamphlet that could be printed out and distributed at the point of sale, but the way things are it would go out of date the next day, and use a lot of paper.
Anyway thanks again for chiming in with your very valuable feedback.
 
Noble, well said. I agree the discussion is what matters at this point and am super glad you wrote a very thoughtful piece about it. Also glad Phil shared some of my same thoughts as I've watched several of his videos and always have been impressed. I would like to think this could be more mainstream...the egos, and carto market more so than rebuildables. As you said so much is there already from so many independents it would be near impossible.

Happy to keep dialog going and such...would be more than happy to start a basis of a database app to start with in an open source manner....I have unused hosting and bandwidth I pay for...why not?
 

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