(This was my answer to a question on the ECF board about "Does Nicotine Cravings ever stop?")
I know this is a nit-picking point, but it's my understanding that after 21 days your body should be flushed of nicotine, and actual physical cravings for nicotine should be gone.
But we all know that it's not as simple as that.
The physical addiction to nicotine is just the tip of the iceberg, so to speak.
The first time I "quit" smoking I had been smoke free for about a year and a half when I entered a fairly conservative seminary. No one smoked - period. No faculty, staff or student used tobacco of any kind.
But the dorm that I lived in had soda machines on my floor that needed to be filled about 3 times a week, and the fella that filled those machines smoked a cigar, and he wasn't about to put it out for a minute.
My room was 150 feet from those machines, and yet the first time I got just a WHIFF of that smoke - (in my room, 15 doors away!) - my body and mind took on a complete life of it's own. I followed that scent like a starving man would follow the smell of a steak dinner. I started hanging out around those machines when I knew he was due to fill them up.
I fought that craving for another 6 months, until I left seminary. I fought that craving for another month until I joined the Navy. I signed my paperwork to enlist, walked out the door, paused long enough to realize that I had just entered into a contract for 4 years of military service...
And went and bought a pack of cigarettes.
2 years I had been nicotine free. All the best minds told me I was long free from nicotine and all of the habits involved in them. The repetition "cycle" was broke too. I didn't even do that whole "chew on a pencil, suck on an ink pen, get my oral fixation" thing that many continue to do. I didn't even bite my fingernails anymore.
So just what in the hell sent me running back to tobacco after that long?
That was over 30 years ago. I've had a long time to think about it, with some very short breaks in between.
I think I have the inkling of an answer, but the answer is just for me. Because it's not a simple question, and there is no answer set in stone. If there is, then how come the guy or gal down the street can just go cold turkey and stay smoke free for 20 years, and not me?
Every smoker I know can point to someone in their life that did that very thing. (And yet, the last time I tried to quit cold turkey, I became such a miserable wretch after 2 weeks that the men that I worked with and worked for actually handed me a carton of cigarettes and told me to please Shut Up!)
The answer - for me - came after asking myself more questions.
Why does any addict - Her0in, Coke, alcohol, etc. - go back? 90 day treatment, flushed completely out of the system, clean and sober... Bam! Off the wagon they go.
OK, here's another question. It may appear to not be related at all. But then again...
How many people do you know - man or woman - that have has experienced satisfying sex, and then just stopped? I mean that after that ONE time just said to themselves, "Well, that was nice, but I really don't need that in my life, so I quit."
After the physical act itself, the body returns to a "normal" state - right? And yet every day women and men will enter into long term physical relationships with partners that are not only socially and psychologically incompatible, but in some cases mentally and physically damaging to them. All in order to meet what we would consider to NOT be a physical "addiction".
As I just said, it may appear to not be related at all. But then again...
So to make a long story even longer - for me it has NEVER been about a physical craving or addiction. It's always been in the mind. Since the first time that I lit up a cigarette and my brain said to itself, "YES! This is it! I want this sensation, and I WILL have it again! I will never be happy with anything less than what I feel right now!"
I've been able to trick my brain with lesser means like vaping and snus. But even that is a daily struggle. And my mind is a stubborn one. If it wasn't, I wouldn't be here on this forum right now.
And most of us are here for the same reasons. We've tried EVERYTHING else, and it hasn't worked. This is the last stop.
At least until something better comes along...
P.S. To the original poster: I know that this has been poor help at best. If I had the definitive answer to your question, I would gladly share it with you - free of charge. But the bottom line is that while we have the support of friends and fellow addicts here, we still have to face it with nothing but our own minds for closest company. And in our cases, the mind is a tricky ....... that will find a way to get it's way.
Good luck, and best wishes.
1) Smoke Nazis: Either ex-smokers or current e-cig users that were smokers for 20 years, but now that they're on the wagon they just have to tell me how horrible I am if I happen to fall back to having a cigarette, cigar or my pipe in my own home. Umm... My house, my rules, there's the door - Don't let it hit you in the butt...
2) Grammar and Spelling Nazis: People who go nuts over using "your" instead of "you're", but who have no problem using "l33t" speech or short cuts like tyvm when they want to sound cool or sophisticated. Lighten up already.
3) Nazis: Damn you, Adolf. Damn you to hell.
4) People who use the term Nazi to define anyone they don't like...
First off, I like the eGo-t.
It's a brilliant idea on paper, and for me, so far, it works well.
But when looking at it, I still have to consider the cost ratio of what is still a consumable item.
Any conventionally designed atomizer will fail eventually.
Right now, the eGo-t and it's branded brothers and sisters seem to be at best only as good as a conventional 510. And at worst, it's flawed and failing weak point - the stem/wick/needle delivery system to the coil - could fail out of the box.
Again, for me, I have to consider the cost in both money and down time.
Right now, the price of an eGo-t atomizer and 5 tanks are going to run at best somewhere between 17.00 and 23.00 US to get started. Admittedly, tanks are going to have a better lifespan over all, but the atomizer is still going to be a crap-shoot at best. (It's still based on the same technology as any other atomizer.)
Compare that to a simple Joye 510 cartomizer.
Both hold approximately 1ml. of fluid. (Remember not to fill the tank completely full. Leave some air space, etc..)
The 510 carto can be had for 7-8 dollars for a 5 pack. Buy two 5-packs, throw in a blunt tip syringe for about a dollar and now I can get 10 carto's for about the price of 1 eGo-t kit.
(I know some might bring up the objection that cartos are hard to fill, but in my case, I've gotten pretty good at it. Paper clip, pop pop, fill, pop pop, ready to go... )
Now again, YMMV, but say for the sake of argument that a carto lasts about a week.
(I know, it's a disposable item subject to failure, etc. But many can attest that their cartos have lasted longer than that.)
And again, for the sake of argument, say that you can get, with proper cleaning and a little TLC, 2 months out of an eGo-t atty.
(That may be a conservative estimate, but for now I'll stick with it.)
Even with those being "guesstimates", I'm still 2 weeks ahead of the game.
Also: If the atomizer goes out in an eGo-t, my tanks are useless until I get another atomizer. With cartos, each one has their own atomizer, so potentially I still have 9 more functional vaping devices.
Add to that: I prefer the overall taste of a carto over an eGo tank. (Tanks seem, for me at least, to mute flavors.)
The price of an eGo-t atty may drop in price in the future, but by how much?
The cost of an eGo Mega atomizer is still very high compared to the regular 510 in was made to replace. And I can't see either eGo specific attys dropping price-wise much more than they are right now.
So, for me at least, while the tank system is an interesting experiment, it's still just that: an experiment. And unfortunately, one that I can't see it improving to the point of becoming my main means of vaping. No matter what kind of improvements made: whether it's a Pyrex tank, a perfect wicking system to the coil, or whatever fault fixed in the future... it's still a consumable item that is going to wear out. (Again, it's still a conventional atomizer. It just has a different and more complex delivery system.)
At that point I have to weigh the cost of convenience over that of price/performance.
Maybe something new that no one here has even considered yet will come out of the blue, and revolutionize the vaping world. But this ain't it. Marketing wise, it may well become THE thing in vaping. But marketing and practicality aren't always in line with one another.
If that were the case, the Tucker automobile would have been a name brand as well known as Ford, GM and Toyota.
I started using E-cigs back in Feb. of 2009 and hung in about 7 months.
But I found myself spending more time cleaning up messes, fixing faulty equipment and waiting on parts and equipment than actually using the darn things.
You have to remember that at that time, other than a few mods, the best I had to choose from were 801's, 901's - cartomizers hadn't been invented yet - and 510's were almost impossible to buy because of demand. Some folks waited for a month just for one kit, and no spare parts.
That and the worries of Chinese juice health concerns (anybody remember lead paint on baby toys and poisoned dog food?), I finally just gave up and went back to analogs.
Since then I've tried just about everything: Swedish snus, the patch, Chantix...
And still the cigarettes burn to the tune of 2 and a half packs a day.
The closest I came to quitting was with an e-cig, so here I am - back to try again.
And thankfully, a lot of things appear to have changed for the better.
This time armed with a pair of Ego-t's, some american made juice, and with cartos and more flavors on the way, I'm giving it another shot.
At this point, If I can cut my smoking in half, I'll consider it a win.
Wish me luck...
You know, maybe I'm the only one - and maybe my "world-view" is topsy turvy.
But have you ever noticed that whenever someone brings up the fact that Big Tobacco, Big Pharmacy, or any other Big Business is seen passing around money to politicians, that all this righteous indignation leaps to the forefront, and everyone wants to lynch 'em all - the Big Business, that is.
And yet, it almost seems as though the politicians that TAKE the money get a free pass. People almost take for granted that ALL politicians take the money. There is this complacency in people when it comes to government that just makes me feel like I stepped into a bad Twilight Zone episode.
The scary part is: I understand Big Business and why they do it.
It's their very nature to grow, protect their investments and illiminate the competition. And for the most part, I agree with it, and am happy to have it.
I like the high standard of living that is possible because of Big Business. It beats the heck out of being a turnip farmer in rural Murmansk...
But it seems like the politicians rarely, if ever, get called to the carpet for their actions, which is TAKING that money. Rarely, if ever, is the finger pointed at the ones that are supposed to be protecting us from abuses against our freedoms. Sure, every once in a while some nobody gets nicked, the press has a field day, and everybody gets that little thrill that a mob always gets after a good Tar and Feathering. But those are few and far between, and usually don't change a thing.
And since when did OFFERING a bribe become more criminal than TAKING a bribe?
When, if ever, are the people going to start asking the hard questions: Why in the hell do we keep voting for these leaches? When are we going to take back our freedom?
Or is it already too late?
America used to be the land of Self Control.
The individual used to decide what was best for themselves.
They in turn told the States how much Control they would be ALLOWED over the individual.
And the States in turn told the National Government how much Control they would be ALLOWED over the States.
But we became complacent and lazy, and allowed the State and National government to take that power from us.
They told us it was for our own good. "Just give us this little bit of Control in your life, and it will be so much easier on you. You won't miss it a bit, and it's really not that much to pay in return for Security!"
Now years later, and we wonder why they are trying to take away our E-cigs, and our Snus?
With Control, you have Power.
With Power, you have everything else that you want or need.
You can tax whatever amount you want, and with that, you have even more Control.
And it's not just tobacco and nicotine.
Look at gas, energy, car companies, banks - the list goes on and on.
Tobacco seems more relevant to us because of it's immediate addictive power. It's the one thing you can't forget about for even a little while, because it won't let you forget it's there - even for a day.
Tobacco control is really just the tip of the iceberg. You just notice it more because of the power of your addiction. But what is happening now has very little to do with what's good for you, or what's good for the children - it has everything to do with controlling YOU.
Sure it sounds like a bad movie plot - but it still works.
It works for Hugo Chávez, it works for Castro and family, and it continues to work for any government that feeds on Power. Get Control - the rest falls in line.
1 to change the light bulb and to post that the light bulb has been changed.
14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently.
7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs.
1 to move it to the Lighting section.
2 to argue then move it to the Electricals section.
7 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs.
5 to flame the spell checkers.
3 to correct spelling/grammar flames.
6 to argue over whether it's "lightbulb" or "light bulb" ... another 6 to condemn those 6 as stupid.
2 industry professionals to inform the group that the proper term is "lamp".
15 know-it-alls who claim they were in the industry, and that "light bulb" is perfectly correct.
19 to post that this forum is not about light bulbs and to please take this discussion to a lightbulb forum.
11 to defend the posting to this forum saying that we all use light bulbs and therefore the posts are relevant to this forum.
36 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique and what brands are faulty.
7 to post URL's where one can see examples of different light bulbs.
4 to post that the URL's were posted incorrectly and then post the corrected URL's.
3 to post about links they found from the URL's that are relevant to this group which makes light bulbs relevant to this group.
13 to link all posts to date, quote them in their entirety including all headers and signatures, and add "Me too".
5 to post to the group that they will no longer post because they cannot handle the light bulb controversy.
4 to say "didn't we go through this already a short time ago?".
13 to say "do a Google search on light bulbs before posting questions about light bulbs".
1 forum lurker to respond to the original post 6 months from now and start it all over again.
My name is Elwin. I live in central Missouri, USA.
I became addicted to nicotine when I was 14 years old, which means that I've been a tobacco user for 40 years now. I've used tobacco in every form I can think of. Snus, snuff, chewing tobacco, cigarettes, cigars, pipe, etc. Chances are, I've used them all. My nicotine delivery system of choice is like most of you, the cigarette.
I like them.
I like the way they taste.
I like the way they smell when they are burning.
I love the way they make me feel.
They wake me up in the morning (with plenty of coffee, of course.)
They get me through the stresses of the day.
They are my dessert after every meal.
They put me to bed at night.
They are there to comfort me in the middle of the night when I can't sleep.
I'm an unrepentant lover of my Mistress, Nicotine.
I don't take her for granted, though. She can be a harsh mistress.
She is my last kiss before my sleep, but I never take to her to bed with me.
She would take more than my virtue if I were fall asleep in her embrace.
I've taken another lover to my bed, now.
One who's kisses are sweet, and who's passions are warm - not hot.
She doesn't wear leather and spiked heals like my former lover, but the soft flannel night-gown of happy wife. Her name is M. Vapor.
I call her Misty.
I wish I could say that I've been faithful to her. I haven't. Many is the time I've left her embrace to find succor in the arms of another.
She doesn't seem to mind, but that doesn't ease my feeling of guilt.
Maybe tomorrow I can be faithful - but I doubt it...
"Great excuses to use when caught red-handed":
1. Honest Officer, the man was dead when I got there...
2. Honest Mom, that stuff is not mine! I was just holding it for a friend...
3. I did NOT have sex with that woman!
4. As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could FLY...
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