Important commentary by David Abrams: are the walks of the TC echo chamber starting to cave in?
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I skipped over a lot of the earlier stuff, but read more closely, near the end, and he's really calling out the shoddy "science" being perpetrated by the vested interests. Excellent, really.
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I read it all. Not perfect, but very good and extremely helpful, especially coming from someone with his credentials.
Ok I gave it a more thorough look - while the ending might look nice for vaping, his insistence on regulations and an "end game" don't look good to me.
While I may agree that cigarettes are not amongst the safest entertainment methods, I don't want to see an "end game" to them. And once the antz convert everyone to vaping, how do we know they won't start working on an "end game" for vaping too?
My biggest complaint is that he's saying that cigarette taxes should be double what they are. They're already extreme and causing harm, along with any good they might be doing. I doubt everybody who wants to quit smoking will be successful with alternatives, and I don't think we should be further damaging their lives economically, which in many cases will indirectly cause further damage to their health.
I don't think he's insisting on an "end game", though he seems to be taking to the idea in his critique of how so many in Tobacco Control are going about their efforts to achieve it. It's definitely unrealistic to think it'll ever be completely eliminated, and when going into detail, proponents of an end game define it as something like a 5% smoking rate, and still contradict that at times. He, at one point, however, seems to define it as "the end game goal of eliminating tobacco related deaths caused overwhelmingly by the inhalation of combustible tobacco products (primarily cigarettes and also cigars, hookah/waterpipe and related products." He says "eliminating", but I suspect he means "nearly eliminating", and should state it as such, if that's the case.
I like the way he has turned that obnoxious "ENDS" into a more inclusive, and less ulteriorly motivated "ANDS" - Alternative Nicotine Delivery Devices. EDIT: Correction - Alternative Nicotine Delivery Systems
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The importance of this paper is that it's coming from a god of tobacco control and represents the position of the most prominent ANTZ organization in USA.
Of course it's ANTZy and chock full of "endgame" BS and other tyrannical and/or fraudulent nonsense. But their position on ecigs is far more measured than what we've seen in MSM, or the usual drivel spouting from glANTZ (see the CA DPH garbage).
Of course it's ANTZy and chock full of "endgame" BS and other tyrannical and/or fraudulent nonsense. But their position on ecigs is far more measured than what we've seen in MSM, or the usual drivel spouting from glANTZ (see the CA DPH garbage).
Correct me if I'm wrong but this statement in the conclusion is about as close to a 180 deg shift as we're going to see.
It's 2 top scientists, perhaps never to find a job again, if the TC industry lives up to its reputation.
If the Antz see this as the ultimate tobacco control weapon, they'll want it regulated and under their control up to the last minute detail......
Coming from the ANTZ High Command I find this a very positive report. It ripped glANTZ and the NYTS study for the propaganda they are. Did it paint e-cigs as the 'answer to our prayers' no, but it is the most positive report that I've seen from 'the dark side'.
This just might be forecasting a change in the tides of TC. I wonder what Clive Bates would say about this paper - this is very much in line with his style. Strict on tobacco, very anti-junk science and positive about the prospects of THR.
I think Clive must be on vacation, his site hasn't had a new entry since April 20th and that one was a guest piece. I've been checking to see when he would comment on the CDC youth smoking survey results.
Nah, he's been busy traveling to various conferences and forums, speaking about TC [HASHTAG]#sciencedenial[/HASHTAG] and incitement to institutionalized desk murder with their lies about THR and vaping
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Here's my analysis of the latest paper by Abrams and Niaura
Legacy’s David Abrams and Ray Niaura wisely advocate objective science and accurate health communications on vaping, criticize junk science and false claims, tout e-cigs as potential “endgame” for cigarettes: But fail to disclose Legacy has urged FDA to impose an “endgame” for vaping by unlawfully banning nicotine e-cigs in 2009, and by imposing the Deeming Regulation (to ban >99.9% of nicotine e-cig products) ever since.
http://www.ijhpr.org/content/pdf/s13584-015-0021-z.pdf
Legacy’s David Abrams and Ray Niaura wisely advocate objective science and accurate health communications on vaping, criticize junk science and false claims, tout e-cigs as potential “endgame” for cigarettes: But fail to disclose Legacy has urged FDA to impose an “endgame” for vaping by unlawfully banning nicotine e-cigs in 2009, and by imposing the Deeming Regulation (to ban >99.9% of nicotine e-cig products) ever since.
http://www.ijhpr.org/content/pdf/s13584-015-0021-z.pdf
Youthful indiscretion?
I just wish they would stop using that Nazi language--holocaust, endgame... It's so disturbing--and offensive.
Thanks, Bill. I also noted that Abrams & Niaura are peddling their own junk science in calling 40 years of abject failure, massive fraud, and institutionalized hatred "proven tobacco control policies."
The only thing TC has proven beyond question (as if we didn't already know it) is that demonizing a minority incites atrocities and crimes against humanity, such as those suffered by smokers everywhere today, who are increasingly being denied fundamental rights and are subjected to unspeakable, government-sanctioned abuse.
Oh, and BTW, here's another fine "endgame" idea they missed in that publication. Fresh off the Twitter hatemill
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