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I began vaping my 7leaves after 2 weeks of sitting with the shakes in-between and I finished 40mls in a month after that. I usually make 50mls of my tobaccos, vape some then put into a jug leaving @10mls to seed the next batch of 40 mls, so by the time I've vaped the jug the next one is ready to vape. I do that with all my tobacco juices. I found some great 50ml genie type wire top glass bottles at the dollar store to mix and steep juice and use a plastic jug to dispense juice into my attys.
I find my Hangsen tobaccos, you can get vaping in a week or so. The last 10mls of my TA is over a month old and its great but the new batch is just over a week old and on its way to be great also. :)
 

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I got my Rustica Absolute, now how do I get it out of the bottle? Are you guys heating it up or scraping it out?

Heat it in hot water for 15 minutes. It will get thin enough to draw up into a 1ml syringe without the needle on it.
 
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I just nuke it 5 seconds. I'm not sure how hot that gets it but I'm guessing 120 to 130 range.

that works also but be careful I had the top pop off and quite a bit bubbled out and made quite a mess. I did 2 5 sec cycles and it happened on the second cycle.
 

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Earlier today I revisited the 7 leaves from yesterday. By itself it had a good flavor but wasnt really popping in my opinion. Mixed with Dark Tobacco and garuda TA was just too sweet for my taste. So I mixed up another batch of it at %5 and added 3 drops (%1) of Virginia TA and gave it a power UC steep. The flavor now is of a moist tobacco leaf. Not grassy, not hayish but good ol moist tobacco. I feel that this will require mixing with other flavors to make it a truly great vape but it does have a lot of potential now. maybe pair it up with Desert Ship or even Perique Black. Who knows. :vapor:

I never really cared for 7 leaves. To me it was a very bland tobacco vape. I really didn't think it worth trying to dress it up with TA or other additives when there are so many other far better tobaccos out there to use these enhancements on..
 
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that works also but be careful I had the top pop off and quite a bit bubbled out and made quite a mess. I did 2 5 sec cycles and it happened on the second cycle.
I remove the cap completely first, and I also have a piece of paper towel torn off and fold a couple layers to about a half an inch tall to pick the bottle back up with. The bottle is a little too warm to the touch and a pot holder is too bulky to work with.
 

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They look like these without the logos, they are 4 inches tall with a narrow neck and hold 50 mls nicely. the ones I have aren't concaved to high on the bottom so I can use a magnetic mixer. I also have a short fat square version that hold 75 mls but they are concaved to high and my stirbar just bounces out of sync so I don't use them until my other bottles are all being used. I also got a couple 500 ml amber wire top bottles from the UBrew place near us to store my nic in the freezer. The UBrew place also had the nice rubber rings for the top since the ones that came with the bottles aren't all that good.
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7Leaves is my go-to flavor when nothing else works. When steeped properly, it has a wonderful fruity taste combined with tobacco. Second on my list is HS Red USA, followed closely by HS Tobacco - which no one else has bothered to try, perhaps because of its non-descript name.

Good point on the HS Tobacco. I think that's why I passed on it. Maybe I should add it to my shopping list.
 

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I never really cared for 7 leaves. To me it was a very bland tobacco vape. I really didn't think it worth trying to dress it up with TA or other additives when there are so many other far better tobaccos out there to use these enhancements on..
Lol, Danny...those are EXACTLY my thoughts about FA 7 Leaves and all the other FA Tobaccos. To me they were acceptable until I discovered Hangsen, Inawera and some from Tobacco Express.
 
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So here's my question of the day!

What do you guys do to add that edge as far as enhancers go. We know commonly that we use TA and AP frequently but what else do you guys use,

To start off with I'll post my blog on sweetening and additives


Sweetening and additives

Many have asked if there is a rule of thumb when it comes to this subject. Well the simple answer is there are none.

Oh yes there is one rule of thumb. "Add nothing to the mix until you've steeped and tasted it".

The following is an explanation of additives and sweetening. It is my personal opinion and should be taken as such.

Vinegar and Lemon

Vinegar is used to perk up tobacco flavors. I usually find people adding this when in fact the problem was they just didn't add enough tobacco flavor the first time and the flavor faded after it steeped. It can some times blend tobacco flavors when using more then one type of tobacco but there are better additives to blend such as FS's Vape wizard. Vinegar is typically used at 1 drop per 5ml. It's been my experience that it will make flavors pop at first but then the flavor fades again over a few days.

Lemon juice is used to perk up fruit and candy mixes and the same can be said for that as well. Make sure you add the correct amount of flavor and let it steep first before making any adjustments. Also the lack of flavor could also be caused by over flavoring which will lead to a absents of flavor. Lemon Juice is typically used at 1 drop per 5ml. It's been my experience that it will make flavors pop at first but then the flavor fades again over a few days

Think of vinegar and lemon juice as a tool of last resort. Because the problem is most likely a mistake you made along the way in your mix.
A better use for the too is to use it to try to salvage an old juice that has already faded to a point of no taste at all.

What exactly is sweetener?

Humm good question.

EM is not really a sweetener it changes the chemical composition of the mix and changes the perception of the way your taste buds sense flavor. EM is used more to thicken, give body and wetness to a mix as well as smooth out ruff edges. It may give already sweet flavoring a slight perception of more sweetness but will also tend to mute the actual flavor. Typical usage is .5 - 1%. I personally use no more then .5%

Sucarlose is a splenda type sweetener and small amounts will add lots and lots of sweetness so you need to be careful with percentages. This is a good choice for your candies, desert, fruit and creamy mixes. This can be found in 5 or 10% premixed solutions and should be used starting at .5% - 2%. Remember using very little gives a lot of sweetness.

I'm nuts about nuttyness

Acetyl Pyrazine (AP)

taste description: Roasted, nutty, bready and yeasty, with popcorn and corn chip nuances
good for graham gracker flavors

This is a good choice for your tobacco nuttyness such as found in your 555, Highway, T5 mixes or any mix in need of a nuttyness.

Caution should be used as this is a very potent flavor molecule.

1 - 2% will give you a nice nutty flavor
2.5 - 3% will give you a corn chip taste
3 - 5% will give you a burnt corn chip flavor.

Adding thickness and body to a mix

To add thickness and body to a mix I use marshmallo flavoring or EM. I use just a tiny amount to give it a thickness and body and not to add an actual marshmallo or a sweet taste. I recommend no more then .5% (that's point five percent)

Wetting or adding moisture

To help minimize the drying effect and throat irritation that vaping causes add 4 - 6% of .09 saline solution or distilled water to your mix.. The higher the VG content the more you will want to add. Saline tends to give a softer wetter taste then distilled water but some have said that they can taste the salt. I myself have not noticed a salty taste in my mixes. Normally adding saline or DW to high VG mixes will thin the mix allowing the juice to better wick eliminating dry hits and add the benefit of a less harsh and a wetter vape.

Conclusion

The recommend percentages are a baseline to start with. "TASTE IS VERY SUBJECTIVE" So let your taste buds be your guide. Always start with the lowest recommended amount, Steep, taste then adjust.

My other vaping blogs can be seen at:

dannyv45's blog | E-Cigarette Forum
 
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I think I am gonna sit out this question of the day. Seeing how over %90 of everything I know about mixing I learned from reading your post and blogs danny, any reply from me would surely be a mimic of what you would do....:vapor:

Oh don't sit this out. You can always comment on what you've learned by reading my blogs, Even if it was bad or a total bomb or even if you got nothing out of it. That's how we all improve our knowledge. I started this thread as a way to improve our experience and knowledge so commenting on if you got anything out of it regardless of good or bad or just nutural are all valid comments.
 
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I might try it with an RY1 in the near future. At the moment I am kinda burned out on Caramel/creamy tobacco vapes.
I'm not burned out on them but I have been trying other things here lately. I've found that I really like just the tobacco flavors or maybe adding a little vanilla and forgoing the caramel completly.
 
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After I just tasting this batch of 7 leaves, it appears there is something I can add to the question of the day. Fruit. Yesterday Exchanger suggested trying a fruit flavor with my 7 Leaves mixture so I added %1 of Caps Green Apple and it really set it off. Now it has a really nice tobacco flavor on the inhale and a pleasant tart apple flavor on the exhale.
It went from being an "ehh" to being a keeping that quick!

Another additive that is situational with tobacco vapes is Oak. For a dry tobacco style vape I find Oak to be a very good enhancer.
 
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