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[dannyv45]

For those flavors that are close but seem to be missing something, try a few drops of tobacco Absolute or Dark tobacco. Might turn them into a home run ADV for you. Lots of info here on the various tobacco absolutes available and what they bring to a tobacco juice.

I was also going to suggest TA so that is great advice all tobaccos need TA regardless of which it is. Also it was mentioned that when the tobacco was close but was missing some sweetness then a little sucralose works for that at about .05%. Also it was mentioned that red USA was close but not strong enough well TA and inawera's DNB is the fix for that. I mix USA at 7%. A true typical american (red usa) has a distinct ashiness that hangsen is missing and the DNB compensates for that.

 

[dannyv45]

Good tobacco kinda sweet? That's Rustica TA. There's a link to it here, plus it gets discussed quite a bit in that thread. Tobacco Absolute - A Flavor All By Itself. | E-Cigarette Forum

Nicely said, Rustica is the sweeter of the TA's while mothers milk TA is a middle of the road (Not to sweet not to dry) and virginia is a dry ashy TA good for USA mixes.

 

[dannyv45]

I can't vape commercial juice at all any more they are almost sickly sweet.

I broke out my halo originals not long ago which used to be my favorite and said to myself "WoW I make better juice then that". I tried the nova halo clones a month back which everyone raves are as close as you can get to halo and I was not impressed.

 

[JD1]

.......... My all day vape what I call 20-20-10. Its a blend of presteeped 6% Highway, 6% No5 and a 3% tobacco absolute with 2 drops of cut acetyl pyrazine per 10ml then resteeped again. Its a fantastic grassy flavor I just can't get enough of.
I have a BullCity order sitting down at the parcel depot in Idaho but haven't had much time to go get my 2 new TA's along with a bunch of Hangsen tobacs I have ordered.

I just ordered some Highway and em. I was going to wait until my next big order but decided I didn't like being out of both of those.

 

[Dixie1954]

It is an awful curse now that all my buds are working right, I have 139 flavorings and so far like only 5 lol. Ok you math wizards you saw where I only use a tiny bit of FA Cuban Supreme - either .12% or .09%. I use the drop method so I need to make a dilution, how can I make a 10ml bottle for using as a flavoring?? Thanks in advance for any help given.

 

[JD1]

It is an awful curse now that all my buds are working right, I have 139 flavorings and so far like only 5 lol. Ok you math wizards you saw where I only use a tiny bit of FA Cuban Supreme - either .12% or .09%. I use the drop method so I need to make a dilution, how can I make a 10ml bottle for using as a flavoring?? Thanks in advance for any help given.

I can't remember exactly but I'm thinking the FA flavor bottles are somewhere around 32 drops per ml. With that number in eJuice Me Up it looks like you need to go to about 18 ml of base and add one bottle drop for .09%. If the 32 drops per ml is correct then you could add an equal part of base to the flavor then use one drop of that in 9ml. That would let you mix in a 10 ml bottle with some room for shaking. If you want to go to smaller mixes then double the flavor with base again (would put you at 1 to 3) for 1 bottle drop in 4 and 1/2 ml and so on.

If you have something to measure out a ml of flavor to see how many drops it takes, and if it's different than 32, just plug the number into your juice calculator if you have one. If you don't have one installed then just post the numbers back and I'll run it through eJuice Me Up for you.

 

[bhima]

Current ADV tobacco blend:

3% FA Dark Vapure
3% FA Latakia
2% Burley
3 drops Black fire per 10 ml
1 drop Oakwood per 10 ml

Its a strong one, but it has just the right mix of flavor to keep it interesting all day.

 

[addicted behavior]

There is some conjecture that the Chinese flavors from RTS are from the same manufacturer as the Chinese super concentrates from VZ, BC and others. At any rate, I'm speaking of the SC's from VZ and there is a couple of reviews on their site that report the same as you. For me, that alcohol note isn't too bad and goes away fairly quick. A couple hours of of heat steeping does it for me or just leaving the lid off overnight, but it could be that line just isn't for you. I mention this in case you're tempted to try one of the SC's from Bull City or elsewhere, because there's a possibility that the conjecture is correct. All I really know is that the VZ Chinese Super Concentrates are alcohol based and mixed fresh you can tell.

Was your Hangsen rebottled by any chance because I've read some posts complaining of their rebottled Hangsen lacking in strength. Hangsen strength does vary some though and if you'd like a hint of a nut flavor, I'd still recommend trying some Hangsen Highway. It's available from BC in the original bottles.

Good tobacco kinda sweet? That's Rustica TA. There's a link to it here, plus it gets discussed quite a bit in that thread. Tobacco Absolute - A Flavor All By Itself. | E-Cigarette Forum

I have steeped with heat, and the top has been off for almost 2 weeks now. It has mellowed out a bit...Everyday i mix the hell out of it with a nifty mixer i made that goes on my mod..it whips allot of air into it. This should help to get the alcohol out some i would think...The flavor is great to me, just that super bitter bite at the end...I did add some smooth and vape wizard to it last night, and have yet to try it for improvement...The Hangsen that i have some is re packaged,and some is not. the week ones are the ones that i just got from e cig express, . I am gonna order some rustica TA and see if that helps. I am stuck vaping fruit and other crap until i get a good tobacco, and I really want to go to my local B&M and buy my old juice there. but hate the thought of all this money invested and still buying juice...Hell I think my wife will kill me,,,,The Inawera Virginia smells wonderful , and the taste has some some promise, just cant put my tongue around what it is missing for me. IDK this is a bit overwhelming to start !

 

[Dixie1954]

JD1 um er I think you misunderstood me. I do use ejuicemeup and use 33 as the amount per ml. What I am needing help with is how much I need of the FA Cuban Supreme to make a dilution of 10ml(or so). That way I can make small amounts for testing. I only go through 2ml of juice a day so making 18-21ml at a time just to see if I like it is not ok. I guess I should have said it different the first time - sorry for the confusion.

 

[herb]

For those flavors that are close but seem to be missing something, try a few drops of Tobacco Absolute or Dark tobacco. Might turn them into a home run ADV for you. Lots of info here on the various tobacco absolutes available and what they bring to a tobacco juice.

I only was aware of one, TA from EcigXpress , never tried them before . I do not like Turkish tobacco at all but do like the red tobacco's , i like FA Cuban Supreme and FA Virginia , i bought and still have 10 ml full sample bottles of FA Desert Ship, FA MaxxBlend and Tuscan Reserve , all three i do not like lol.

I have heard "Congress" and possibly "Parliament" tobacco flavor i would like , i only smoked Marlboro Medium's and Parliament but someone suggested those two .

Finding a great tobacco vape has been a complete nightmare for me , i don't expect actual cig like flavor but what i have made isn't even remotely close , i mean i'm not even in the ballpark , in case you haven't figured it out yet , i am an atrocious DIY er.

 

[herb]

I was also going to suggest TA so that is great advice all tobaccos need TA regardless of which it is. Also it was mentioned that when the tobacco was close but was missing some sweetness then a little sucralose works for that at about .05%. Also it was mentioned that red USA was close but not strong enough well TA and inawera's DNB is the fix for that. I mix USA at 7%. A true typical american (red usa) has a distinct ashiness that hangsen is missing and the DNB compensates for that.

I think thats what i am missing , where do you get yours and is it basically all the same ?

Thank you

 

[f1vefour]

Also it was mentioned that red USA was close but not strong enough well TA and inawera's DNB is the fix for that. I mix USA at 7%. A true typical american (red usa) has a distinct ashiness that hangsen is missing and the DNB compensates for that.

You couldn't be more correct.

 

[Pokepie]

I think thats what i am missing , where do you get yours and is it basically all the same ?

Thank you

I can only add a little here because I only have experience with a few INW TA's but they are most certainly not all the same. I have used INW Virginia TA and Cuban. The Cuban adds a richness and depth to the tobacco of your choice. For me it an absolutely never run out additive. The Virginia adds more of a punch. It's dryer than the Cuban with a hint of ash. Also very good and more "cig'ish."

I also have the Garuda and Dark tobacco. Haven't mixed the Garuda yet and I am ageing a IW 555 gold w/ Dark tobacco now. Gotta get that Rustica....

 

[bhima]

I only was aware of one, TA from EcigXpress , never tried them before . I do not like Turkish tobacco at all but do like the red tobacco's , i like FA Cuban Supreme and FA Virginia , i bought and still have 10 ml full sample bottles of FA Desert Ship, FA MaxxBlend and Tuscan Reserve , all three i do not like lol.

I have heard "Congress" and possibly "Parliament" tobacco flavor i would like , i only smoked Marlboro Medium's and Parliament but someone suggested those two .

Finding a great tobacco vape has been a complete nightmare for me , i don't expect actual cig like flavor but what i have made isn't even remotely close , i mean i'm not even in the ballpark , in case you haven't figured it out yet , i am an atrocious DIY er.

All of those FA flavors are too sweet or too strange. Dark Vapure and Latakia are their best, more ciglike flavors

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[chopdoc]

I only was aware of one, TA from EcigXpress , never tried them before . I do not like Turkish tobacco at all but do like the red tobacco's , i like FA Cuban Supreme and FA Virginia , i bought and still have 10 ml full sample bottles of FA Desert Ship, FA MaxxBlend and Tuscan Reserve , all three i do not like lol.

I have heard "Congress" and possibly "Parliament" tobacco flavor i would like , i only smoked Marlboro Medium's and Parliament but someone suggested those two .

Finding a great tobacco vape has been a complete nightmare for me , i don't expect actual cig like flavor but what i have made isn't even remotely close , i mean i'm not even in the ballpark , in case you haven't figured it out yet , i am an atrocious DIY er.

I wouldnt say your an atrocious DIY'er. I am actually in the same boat as your in. I also been searching for that perfect tobacco vape and havent even come close to what I want yet but I have found some very enjoyable tobacco vapes along the way. It has been a long road but also a fun journey for me. With you liking Marlboro's medium, which I smoked many of, then maybe give realcigs SC a try. Bullcity carries it. Also add a drop of Inawera DNB (stands for Dirty Natural Base) to your tobacco recipes. One to two drops of DNB to 10 ml is plenty in my opinion. Those that you felt were close but missing something I would suggest Inawere Virgina Tobacco Absolute being added to them.
Finding that perfect tobacco vape is a long process for there is just so many tobacco flavors out there and only you know exactly what your looking for.

A couple things to keep in mind on your perfect tobacco DIY juice journey. Always make double batches, for what is great or awful as a shake and vape could be a totally different vape after a couple months steep and could turn into exactly what you are looking for. Always keep good notes for if one of those batches two months down the road turns out to be exactly what you wanted, then your going to want to know how exactly you made it. And always keep an open objective open mind with the juices you are creating. Just because a juice you created isnt what you was looking for doesnt mean its not an awesome juice that is very enjoyable for you.

Good luck in your search and keep us up to date on how your search is going.

 

[dannyv45]

I have steeped with heat, and the top has been off for almost 2 weeks now. It has mellowed out a bit...Everyday i mix the hell out of it with a nifty mixer i made that goes on my mod..it whips allot of air into it. This should help to get the alcohol out some i would think...The flavor is great to me, just that super bitter bite at the end...I did add some smooth and vape wizard to it last night, and have yet to try it for improvement...The Hangsen that i have some is re packaged,and some is not. the week ones are the ones that i just got from e cig express, . I am gonna order some rustica TA and see if that helps. I am stuck vaping fruit and other crap until i get a good tobacco, and I really want to go to my local B&M and buy my old juice there. but hate the thought of all this money invested and still buying juice...Hell I think my wife will kill me,,,,The Inawera Virginia smells wonderful , and the taste has some some promise, just cant put my tongue around what it is missing for me. IDK this is a bit overwhelming to start !

It seems that you got the flavor right but you say you have a bite to it. Are you sure it's not your base giving you the bite. Have you recently vaped just the base to see if it has a bite. It may be just a matter of adjusting the base. You can see how to do that in the link below. I also see that your whipping your mix. Adding to much air to quickly oxidizes NIC to quickly and that could also be introducing that bite.

How to adjust your base to reduce that peppery harsh Nicotine taste | E-Cigarette Forum

 

[dannyv45]

I think thats what i am missing , where do you get yours and is it basically all the same ?

Thank you

Samara TA is a sweeter TA good for pipe like vapes and RY4's and such where you want a sweeter edge
TOBACCO ABSOLUTE: Samara Botane Aromatic Apothecary

Virginia TA is a dryer ashier TA good for that american red vape your looking for. Combine that with a good red flavor like Hangsen USA red (7%) and a few drops of Inawera's DNB (2-3%) and I think that would be exactly what your looking for. You can find inawera and hangsen at bullcity and virginia here:

Tobacco Absolute - One Stop DIY Shop Store, LLC

Read back in this thread to make sure you know how to prepare it. It needs to be mixed down to a 10% concentrate (1ml TA to 9ml pg/pga)

Then there's mothers milk TA which is a good all round TA that sits some where in between the two fore mentioned TA's.

Mothers Milk WTA :: Absolute TA Tobacco Absolute

Then there are the inawera TA's which are premixed and ready to go. There are 5 or 6 of them which all have different charistics. I have all of them but have yet to experiment with them but there are plenty of posts on them in this thread.

 

[JD1]

JD1 um er I think you misunderstood me. I do use ejuicemeup and use 33 as the amount per ml. What I am needing help with is how much I need of the FA Cuban Supreme to make a dilution of 10ml(or so). That way I can make small amounts for testing. I only go through 2ml of juice a day so making 18-21ml at a time just to see if I like it is not ok. I guess I should have said it different the first time - sorry for the confusion.

No need for sorry it's probably me that's not being clear anyway. Basically what you're after is a starting point, and once it's found, follow the rule of double the dilution to half the amount of base you can flavor with one bottle drop. The amount of base we're halving is calculated from the starting point so that's why we need that number.

Let's calculate the .12% for example. With 33 drops per ml in eJMU, .12 in percent, and 12 in amount to make, hit calculate and 0 drops shows up. Change amount to make to 13, hit calculate and 1 drop shows up. That means our starting number is 13ml because that's the least we can make using one bottle drop of undiluted flavor for .12%.

Now for example, take .5ml of flavor and add .5 ml of base and you have 1ml of diluted flavor that you can use to flavor 6.5 ml of base with 1 bottle drop. Add another 1ml of base to the flavor and we now have 2ml of diluted flavor the we can use at 1 bottle drop to flavor 3.25 ml of base at .12%. Adding 2 more ml of base to the diluted flavor gives us 4ml of diluted flavor that can be used to flavor 1.6 ml of base and so on.

That gives us: .5ml of flavor added to 7.5 ml of base for 8ml of diluted flavor that can be used @ 1 bottle drop to flavor .8 ml of base.

Hope this helps.

Edited to change 1.6 to .8 in last sentence.

 

[JD1]

.........The flavor is great to me, just that super bitter bite at the end............

I'd think that bitter at the end is probably something other than it being an alcohol based flavor. Of the four SC tobacco flavors I have, all have a sharp little something right up front when fresh mixed but then the main flavor takes over for the rest of the vape. That might mean that the flavor you have just isn't for you.

Yeal, it can be a bit of a challenge starting out but very rewarding once you find what you like. I'd suggest trying some of the TA's, especially the Rustica. I also have and love the Cuban Cigar TA from Inawera. Good luck and keep us posted.

Edit: I posted this before I read Danny's response above and I'd plus 1 his suggestion to check your base, and also add that it might be worthwhile to whip and steep your base in the same manner just to see what happens.

 

[Alter]

I do second the "its a challenge" as said by JD. I got a bunch of tobacco concentrates and some of them are IMO.... YUK and yet some people rave about them. I've had a couple literally turn to syrupy sweetness at 5%. I personally don't like sweet vapes, some of them just parch me. Once in a while is Ok but not as a regular thing to vape day after day.
I was after a grassy milder tobac and thru research led me to Hangsen concentrates and I will end up throwing away those other tobac concentrates, Hangsen was the clear winner. Adding month old tobacco absolute to a hangsen, just adds to the goodness along with a some drops of acetyl pyrazine to add a bit of nutty... and yes ADV created.