Hi everyone - 3 questions on vaping tobacco

[dorz]

Hi everyone, my name is Dor and this is my first post. I've been smoking cigarettes for ten years now, in the past few years I've been rolling my own cigarettes, and three months ago I started using PMI's iqos.
Using iqos was coming back to the prices I paid before switching to rolling tobacco and now I want to reduce those prices by finding other vaping solution. I was hoping you'll be able to help me with three questions on this matter.

My first thought was to start using e-cigarettes, but I really disliked PMI's e-cigarette, the only one I tried. If all e-cigarettes are similar to it with the taste, I would prefer to avoid it and find another solution for vaping tobacco. So my first question: is PMI's e-cigarette considered bad in comparison to other e-cigarettes, or should I expect having a similar experience with other e-cigarettes?

Another thought I had was to find a vaping device that is capable of handling tobacco. The thing is that it seems that all the vaping devices are made for cannabis, and I'm not sure if they would work well with tobacco. I read about Pax vaporizer and firefly vaporizer which might be suited, and I read in this forum that I should use pipe tobacco. But I didn't find someone writing about smoking regularly tobacco with a dry-herb vaporizes. My second question: are dry-herb vaporizers suited for smoking tobacco regularly, and only tobacco?

The last thing I wanted to ask is about the iqos itself, because I thought maybe I can just use it with a rolling tobacco. I saw some videos in youtube with people trying to use iqos with regular cigarettes, but the cigarettes started burning. I thought it is a lost cause, but then I read the discussion here in the forum about using pipe tobacco for vaping. So I figured, maybe the iqos will work well with a rolled pipe tobacco? I wanted to hear what you think about this idea.

Sorry for the long post, but I will really appreciate your answers
Happy to join the community,
Dor

 

[madstabber]

Have you tried vaping flavored liquid nicotine or ejuice? I believe that's what most on this forum do. I don't have any experience with dry herb vaporizers so I can't help you with those. You may want to try a liquid vaporizer which heats flavored liquid nicotine. Many people on this forum have had great success quitting tobacco going this route and it has saved me lots of cash compared to smoking.

 

[retired1]

is PMI's e-cigarette considered bad in comparison to other e-cigarettes, or should I expect having a similar experience with other e-cigarettes?

There are many low cost rigs that are far better than the "cigalikes" you get from the mainstream tobacco companies. And the beauty of vaping e-liquids is you can also make your own to your own tastes. DIY really is pretty easy once you get the hang of it.

are dry-herb vaporizers suited for smoking tobacco regularly, and only tobacco?

We need to be careful here. ECF doesn't allow drug talk. There are, however, vaporizers that are designed for use with loose leaf tobacco. They're rather pricey, though.

So I figured, maybe the iqos will work well with a rolled pipe tobacco?

The iQOS tobacco is treated with PG to prevent burning. You'd see the same burning regardless of the type of tobacco you attempted to use.

 

[cigatron]

I got of cigarettes by vaping naturally extracted tobacco (NET) ejuices in a standard refillable ecig setup. Later I learned how to extract my own. The flavor is great, I add how much nic I need and extract all kinds of tobacco. If it has to be a tobacco product for you then NETs are a great option.

 

[djsvapour]

Welcome @dorz

iQos is heat not burn technology, somewhat different from an e-cigarette.

A standard e-cigarette uses nicotine liquid and no tobacco.

Most of the products you mention exist only for one thing. To make money... and all the tobacco companies are into products which cost little to make and can be as expensive as possible within the boundaries of reason.

Smoking 25 a day costs $5,000 a year in the UK.
Certain 'Vaping' products could cost $4,000, easily.
I vape for less than $1,000.

I 'rolled' for a decade and switched to e-cigarettes. That was 4 years ago.

Your choices are
1. Smoking
2. Alternative products which will be very expensive.
3. Tobacco company vaping products, most of which are a total rip-off and not even passable in the general scheme of things.
4. Vaping products using nicotine liquid.


No 4 is the only sensible choice in my opinion.
No 3 and 4 might save your life, but your money is a different question.

Avoid cig-a-likes
Avoid tobacco company products
Avoid greedy vaping brands who want to sell you a $29 e-cig for $119.99 (and boy... there are LOADS of them around).

 

[dorz]

Thanks for the answers... but honestly I got a bit confused...
Can you help me and give me a few recommendations for good products which use e-juice that I can begin with?
And on the other hand - do you think just using a dry herb vaporizer with any tobacco is not a good solution?

 

[emiTAtAyaDenO]

Thanks for the answers... but honestly I got a bit confused...
Can you help me and give me a few recommendations for good products which use e-juice that I can begin with?
And on the other hand - do you think just using a dry herb vaporizer with any tobacco is not a good solution?

I think that once you get a recommended device and proper tank to use with e-juice, you will enjoy your e-juice flavors more than using any form of real tobacco.

 

[madstabber]

Thanks for the answers... but honestly I got a bit confused...
Can you help me and give me a few recommendations for good products which use e-juice that I can begin with?
And on the other hand - do you think just using a dry herb vaporizer with any tobacco is not a good solution?

Dry herb vaporizers generally are not a good idea. As far as recommendations you might want to start with a kit from places like ecig.com, myvaporstore.com, etc.,etc. you can check the vendors forum on this site for reliable vendors. Kits you may want to try, Smoktech, Wismec, Sigelei are popular brands and have kits Available on the sites mentioned. The kits have the mod and tank packaged into one. The tanks are filled with the juice and then attached to the mod. I mix my own juice so I don't have a recommendation except check the vendors on this site. Other thing if you aren't familiar with lithium ion batteries you may want a mod with an internal battery. Also read up on vaping on this site and ask questions. It takes a while but you will learn. It seems overwhelming at first but given some time and research and you'll learn pretty quick. Good luck

 

[retired1]

And on the other hand - do you think just using a dry herb vaporizer with any tobacco is not a good solution?

Last time. Drug talk isn't permitted on ECF. This includes referring to "dry herb" devices.

Why we don't allow drug talk

There are devices for the vaping of loose leaf tobacco and they're effective. But pricey. Here's a recent thread on the topic: Vaporizing loose leaf tobacco

 

[madstabber]

Last time. Drug talk isn't permitted on ECF. This includes referring to "dry herb" devices.

Why we don't allow drug talk

There are devices for the vaping of loose leaf tobacco and they're effective. But pricey. Here's a recent thread on the topic: Vaporizing loose leaf tobacco

Don't you think you're taking the no drug talk a little far? I understand why it's not allowed but drugs were not being discussed. There are many herbs that aren't "drugs" that are used in them and that is what they are called on websites discussing or selling them.

 

[djsvapour]

In truth, it's quite difficult to successfully vaporize tobacco without a specialist device. Also, you unintentionally vaporize the thousands of chemicals they add to loose tobacco.

Safer than smoking... oh yes, for sure. I'm not going to argue that one.
Worth it? ... hard to say. I would personally choose not to give my money to these people. It was bad enough in the early days of e-cigarettes with people getting ripped off.
Millions of smokers have quit using standard vaping devices and enjoy the flavors and variety much more than smoking. I smoked all sorts of flavored tobacco and enjoyed the process of visiting tobacco shops to buy the different varieties of tasty types.

When you search for standard e-cigarettes (vaporizers, APVs, mods, tanks) you are running the risk of being conned by the many people in this business only interested in selling to you at a high price and keeping you buying the products (accessories and refills) at a high price.

Sadly, there are lots of companies selling lots of products and the choice is often bewildering.
Also, it is not helped by people trying to convince you to buy certain brands using the many tricks of the internet to fool you into thinking you are buying 'the best' or '#1 rated' or whatever.
Entire websites exist to make you think the people that run the website are interested in vaping and vapers and people quitting smoking. They're not, not really.
They want you to spend $119 on a $29 e-cig so they can cream off money for themselves.

The 'top rated' review sites are vehicles to send you calmly and seemingly-independently to certain brands. It barely exists in other consumer item markets. Think about it... you would not trust a website that encouraged you to spend $15.99 on something in the shopping mall that everybody knows is only $3.99? Or, a review of a $400 mobile phone that is actually a $100 smartphone.

This is what these evil and greedy people do. For some of them, it saves having to get out of bed in the morning and be a decent human being.

Basically, if the online vape shop you are looking at does not sell the Chinese brands (Kanger, Joyetech, Smok, Aspire, Eleaf, Vaporesso, etc) there is a good chance you are looking at a shop that takes these same products, has their own brand put on the items to then charge you unacceptable amounts of money.

If you are ever confused, you just ask.
There's a world of excellent products nowadays .... it's just you might not find them without help.

 

[retired1]

Don't you think you're taking the no drug talk a little far? I understand why it's not allowed but drugs were not being discussed. There are many herbs that aren't "drugs" that are used in them and that is what they are called on websites discussing or selling them.

This isn't open for debate. "Herbal" vaporizers are not a topic for discussion on ECF.

 

[madstabber]

This isn't open for debate. "Herbal" vaporizers are not a topic for discussion on ECF.

That works for me, after I posted I realized I was taking up a cause I cared little about. Case closed and in the future I will do my best to stay in my lane.

 

[Meinxerces]

If you get a regular vape, with a tank and such, you can definitely get ejuice that tastes exactly like tobacco and has nicotine in it. I have a juice right now that tastes exactly like a cigarette, but since I've been using flavored juice lately, I can't stand the taste of it anymore. You'd be surprised just how easy it is to let go of the stinkies once you start vaping regularly.

 

[BrotherBob]

Thanks for the answers... but honestly I got a bit confused...
Can you help me and give me a few recommendations for good products which use e-juice that I can begin with?

Welcome and glad you joined.
Good Products? You will have to tell us more about your present and desired vaping requirements.
Could read up before post again:
vapetown
http://www.vaporauthority.com/pages/learn
http://www.ecigarettedirect.co.uk/a...tte-college-guides-tutorials-information.html
One Stop Reference Shop For New and Experienced Vapers
Beginner – Guide To Vaping
http://www.smokingvapor.com/blog/2016/05/
http://vapingcheap.com/vaping-101/
(10) Advancing Up the Vaping Ladder with Egos and Mods | E-Cigarette Forum
(1) Proper Terminology - Is it a carto, a tank, or what? A Guide to Juice Attachments. | E-Cigarette Forum

As to e-juice, might like to read through:
Favorite tobacco flavoring discussion - Tobacco flavoring discussion only
https://www.reddit.com/r/CloudCollective/duplicates/3pqhc5/workgroup_tobacco_reviews/
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/forums/liquid-extraction-from-tobacco.489/
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/forums/diy-e-liquid.38/

 

[JerL]

I've been using Black Note NET, really good flavor and quality products. Check them out.

 

[JoeMischief]

Can I be blunt here but in a nice and friendly way. Don't bother with tobacco. Take up vaping. There is an initial investment so it would be silly to say otherwise. Vaping in the long run can easily be a lot cheaper though. Do your research. Get advice from the amazing guys here. Watch YouTube tutorials. I have real fondness for Zophie Vapes. She helped me with easy to use products to kick tobacco. I smoked from the age of 16 to 42. Cigarettes and then for more years rolling tobacco. I have now Vaped for 9 months. It was THE best decision of my life. And it's really fun. And there's a wonderful community with people like these guys on here who have made me feel like a friend. It was the best decision of my partners life. It was the best decision of her 19 year old daughters life. And her daughters lovely boyfriend too. Also the other 13 year old daughter is so glad her mum kept her promise to give up smoking using vaping. Your journey will take a while but with our support you can just let tobacco go... Vaping is SO much better.

 

[mcclintock]

"is PMI's e-cigarette considered bad in comparison to other e-cigarettes, or should I expect having a similar experience with other e-cigarettes?"

You could try dozens of e-cig tobacco flavors and barely scratch the surface. Some of the original tobacco flavors are pretty bad, if you try some convenience store generic stuff you might still find that.

However, if by PMI's e-cig you mean the Vuse, no it's not even very representative of anything else. I think it may actually be a good product for smokers with no intent to quit (big surprise!). It's basically a very small weak device that uses very strongly nicotine'd ejuice inside that tastes of very little else.

As to the IQOS, they might be a good transition device to liquid-based vaping, those still smoking have a poor sense of taste and smell and often a scratchy throat. If these can improve with IQOS it will make e-cigs more palatable. I find vaping most reminiscent of smoking when the flavor is light but pungent with attention to the texture of the vapor, with the burning flavor simply omitted, but the smoker might not be able to taste a thing -- although it might be satisfying anyway with stronger nicotine than I use anymore. Nicotine adds a huge throat hit. It can be controlled with e-juice, not (by you) with actual tobacco.

Recommendations are difficult because I'm skeptical of anything I haven't tried, which leaves out a lot especially the new.

The Juul is weak device like the Vuse with strong nic and high cost, but word is they got it right. This leads to a whole subject of "pod mods" which attempt to make vaping simple again, without the tradeoff, look around here for more info. On the other hand, you might do well to go to a vape shop, most will push you towards high power, high output gear but if you might like it, especially if you are younger. I use a dripping atomizer (RDA) at lower power and make my own juice.

Two great tobacco ejuices are Goodejuice's Patriot and or MyFreedomSmoke's 4 Star General (try 12 mg nic). I suggest them only in restricted airflow, mouth-to-lung (MTL) type atomizers and refillable vape pens, to taste right, results will still vary. The meager old EVOD vape pen will blow your mind how good it is for something small and cheap with these juices, with a few tweaks.

 

[JoeMischief]

It's a bit pricey but Red Vape Havana Dark liquid is just like smoking a cigar...

 

[dorz]

Hey, thank you for all the information and recommendations.
I want to make my first step into vaping, but allow me to share with you -I'm overwhelmed. It all look so complicated and I can already imagine myself stuck with because of some electronic problem. It felt so safe and simple when my ingredients were tobacco, papers, filters and a lighter.
I looked at mechanical mods as the products which involve as least electronics as possible, but it seems that they're not suited for a beginner as me. Other than that, it seems that they might be dangerous because of battery issues and that scares me a bit.

With hope that everything will go well, I decided to start with a simple starter kit like a beginner should. Before I'll go for it, I just wanted to hear your opinion about "kanger TOPEVOD starter kit". Do you recommend it?

Thanks again, you all helped me with your replies