New Illinois Law Imposes Fine For Minors With E-Cigs
Somehow, I never saw anything about this being in the works.
Somehow, I never saw anything about this being in the works.
New Illinois Law Imposes Fine And Community Service For Minors With E-Cigs
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Since you already live in the state you know Rauner is shady when it comes to bargaining and legislation.
Personally I think this is common sense and then they can stop saying what about the children. We can simply respond that they already took care of it by making it illegal.
Personally I think this is common sense and then they can stop saying what about the children. We can simply respond that they already took care of it by making it illegal.
A 17-year-old wanting to quit smoking might rightfully be outraged. I should change the thread title to include the community service penalty.
Nicnik, just my personal thoughts. It's weird because there was just a thread about a 16 year old kid that had a mech pop while vaping next to his dad in the car. And if I remember the story correct his dad talked smack about vaping. Tobacco is 18 YO and they consider vaping tobacco so under 18 is stuck, they should enforce the fines on smokes but they don't.
Honestly, I have older kids and I don't want them vaping or smoking. Both have listened to me and have stayed away from them even though they grew up around a smoker.
Honestly, I have older kids and I don't want them vaping or smoking. Both have listened to me and have stayed away from them even though they grew up around a smoker.
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Well, I hear what you're saying, but it further blurs the distinction between smoking, and several way safer options that are also the best quitting methods. In that regard, the collateral damage could be enormous.
We agree there Nic but there are a lot of lines blurred when it comes to the deeming regs. Pick your poison, save the children, not tobacco or the craziest one (sarcasm) if a 17 YO is already smoking wouldn't it be better for them to vape?
Hell child proof caps are required because parents need the government to babysit for them, what about the poor person with arthritis that can't open child proof caps? That 16 YO kid having a Mech pop on him didn't really help us much either and that made it from Canada to our channel 5 news. Nobody blames the user, it's the device.
I'm not saying your wrong and I agree with you to some extent. I have no better way to put it.... Causalities of war
Hell child proof caps are required because parents need the government to babysit for them, what about the poor person with arthritis that can't open child proof caps? That 16 YO kid having a Mech pop on him didn't really help us much either and that made it from Canada to our channel 5 news. Nobody blames the user, it's the device.
I'm not saying your wrong and I agree with you to some extent. I have no better way to put it.... Causalities of war
Good. Not because I am necessarily against underage vaping per say.
I am against one way compliance checks that are designed to do
one thing. Exploit Owners out of more money by deliberately trying
to trick overworked underpaid clerks sell to minors who are picked
because they look 10 years older than they are. Aside from the fact
that compliance checks have never been proven to reduce smoking
or drinking in the underage groups. We have a saying up here.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Regards
Mike
I am against one way compliance checks that are designed to do
one thing. Exploit Owners out of more money by deliberately trying
to trick overworked underpaid clerks sell to minors who are picked
because they look 10 years older than they are. Aside from the fact
that compliance checks have never been proven to reduce smoking
or drinking in the underage groups. We have a saying up here.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Regards
Mike
What's the law on cigarettes? Is possession illegal, or just the sale?
Every time I argue for vapor products not to have an age limit, someone always says "Their parent can buy it for them," well, no they can't. At least not legally.
Every time I argue for vapor products not to have an age limit, someone always says "Their parent can buy it for them," well, no they can't. At least not legally.
Well, not that I agree, but at least they're consistent.
I feel bad for any underage smokers who are already addicted and may be seeking an alternative. Or who are considering smoking, but might otherwise choose vaping.
It will be interesting to see how enforcement plays out. Would be great to know the numbers of teen smokers, teen vapers, how many are charged with possession of cigarettes, and how many are charged with possession of vapor products.
I think this is a good thought. If I were under 18 I'd probably be ....... But in all honesty vapes can attract kids because of the taste over cigs. Vapes can advertise so much more than cigs can now a days and I think eventually there will be similar regulations regarding vape advertisements.
It can be just as addictive as cigs if you use nicotine or not. It can become a physical addiction for some and minors shouldn't get into it as young as they do.
It can be just as addictive as cigs if you use nicotine or not. It can become a physical addiction for some and minors shouldn't get into it as young as they do.
I'm concerned about the fine part in particular.
Do minors get fined?
If so do minors get fined for possession of cigarettes?
Fines for vape possession. I'm pretty sure for cig possesion, too, but no idea how much it's enforced.
Do you have anything to back up those claims that you've made? From everything that I have seen, nicotine use, if you were not already a tobacco user, does not develop into dependency.
ETA: The Great Nicotine Myth
Peer pressure can easily get young people to try vaping without trying nicotine before. Even if they start with no nicotine juice they could easily try nicotine. Getting addicted to smoking, tobacco or not, is a real thing just the act of smoking. Only thing I have to back it up is personal experience and other people's stories.
The tobacco controlers, tax collectors, governments, know more about smokers than smokers do. They pay careful attention because the money is important. I'm not sure how important. Some macro economic modeling might help figure that out. Somebody with the know how needs to do that because state and local governments are acting like they would be bankrupt without tobacco taxes and may be they would.
I'm pretty sure cops do NOT want to enforce a tobacco ban on kids. I don't know anything about why not. They might be willing to make vaping arrests because vaping doesn't provide tax support like cigarettes. Cops pay and benefits rely on taxes after all.
I'm pretty sure cops do NOT want to enforce a tobacco ban on kids. I don't know anything about why not. They might be willing to make vaping arrests because vaping doesn't provide tax support like cigarettes. Cops pay and benefits rely on taxes after all.
I know there are more than a few cops that vape.
I'm still waiting to see a cloud of vapor come out the window of a cop car at a stoplight.
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