Smok X Cube II 160watt TC Bluetooth $55.9 coupon

[Margucci]

Not trying to be a dick here, seriously, but could you explain to me what functionality (beyond the squeeze firing and, bar lights, and maybe screen placement) the X Cube has over any DNA200? I'm not talking interface here, just pure functionality.

And lets face it, people complaining about needing to spend time in eScribe probably have to spend at least as much time either diddling with the X Cube's menu (and waiting on the menu time outs) or using the app to get a good vape in TC mode, and they have to repeat that every time a variable changes. There's no memory functionality for TCR changes.

On top of that, one single TCR value that you can input on the X Cube doesn't match the actual TCR curve you can implement on the DNA200 (or the multitude of curves you can have via eScribe and on-device presets). That part of the DNA200 feature set alone crushes the X Cube in terms of functionality. The difference in vape quality is tangible between the two, you have to try it yourself to truly appreciate how much better it is.

Don't get me wrong, I'm anything BUT an Evolv fanboy, it's just that the DNA200 is markedly superior to the X Cube II in every respect but price.

I'd say a DNA200 is easily worth at least twice what the X Cube sells for just for the superior vape alone. Anything over that, you're paying a premium for the enclosure (and some are more worth that premium than others).

lets take this paragraph by paragraph
- the interface is an important feature on the device. sorry cant leave that out. you are also forgetting being able to modify temp coefficients on the fly. bluetooth. a mobile app. not being leashed to a pc. those are some pretty good features right there.
- not once did i say that escribe wasnt powerful. not even once. however, you MUST use it. you can save profiles using an app on the xcube as well just as you would use escribe on a DNA200. however, you have the option to change it on your device as well although they cant be saved. in addition, phone app. although not as powerful as escribe, it is more convenient.
- i already said that the implementation of TC on the DNA200 is better. you do need to fiddle with it on the xcube. however, that is not as feature. it is the execution of a feature.
- i agree that the DNA200 is better in quality and performance than the xcube. i dont think you would find anyone who would disagree with that. i even said that if you could get a decent DNA200 mod for about $100 i would. that isnt the case. as i have said before i would have a difficult time justifying paying 3-4 times as much for a DNA200.

also, i think you need to read what people are actually writing. a device having a feature isnt qualitative its quantitative. it has it or it doesnt. the xcube has more features than any DNA200 mod. the implementation of some of their features leaves much to be desired. these are facts. it is also a fact that the feature set on the xcube is better for the very same reasons. it is just as true that the DNA200 performs better. you would be hard pressed to find anyone in this thread who would disagree with that. now, personal opinion comes into play when you talk about value. i do not feel that the value of that added performance is 3-4x greater than the xcube. you are of the opinion that it is. i do not have any issue with that. as i said, it is all personal opinion.

personally i want to see what happens with the evolution of the DNA200. i believe that in about 6 months they will have a second revision which will expand the feature set of the DNA200 chip while maintaining its performance. i am going to wait to see if that is true. for the time being, i have chosen my xcube.

 

[Vapin Dave]

is stainless steel worth getting over titanium in your opinion?

SS keeps my wicks white for a lot longer than TI but I find it less reliable in temp control. Every now and then, I get a faint burnt taste but its really barely enough to notice. Also, SS can be used in normal wattage mode making it a lot more versatile than TI wire.

 

[Margucci]

What makes a good temp control wire is when there is a large resistance change with temperature. Ni is the best for this out of the current lot. The ratio of the change in resistance with temperature is the coefficient we speak about. To has about half the value of nickel. SS is much lower than even that. There are pros and cons to everything. However, SS is currently the best wire IMO for overall use.

 

[pevinsghost]

What makes a good temp control wire is when there is a large resistance change with temperature. Ni is the best for this out of the current lot. The ratio of the change in resistance with temperature is the coefficient we speak about. To has about half the value of nickel. SS is much lower than even that. There are pros and cons to everything. However, SS is currently the best wire IMO for overall use.

Ni has a large coefficient, but because the base resistance is so low, it's not actually that accurate either. Ti is fairly good in this regards, but shares some of Ni's other drawbacks. Hopefully NiFe will be the best of all worlds, but we'll have to wait and see.

 

[Rizzyking]

Woke up to a parcel my black xcube had arrived lot earlier then it usually takes, came updated with latest firmware and has been working a charm all day was pretty sure I'd turn the led off but it's grown on me.

 

[Margucci]

Ni has a large coefficient, but because the base resistance is so low, it's not actually that accurate either. Ti is fairly good in this regards, but shares some of Ni's other drawbacks. Hopefully NiFe will be the best of all worlds, but we'll have to wait and see.

It would be nice to see some more accurate resistance readings so temp control works better. It seems as if that's the edge that the DNA200 has.

 

[Vapin Dave]

cant you just adjust the resistance on the x cube?

 

[Margucci]

Temp control works by measuring the difference between the base and loaded resistance. This difference multiplied by a scaling factor specific to the material is what lets the mod calculate the temperature. With more accurate resistance readings we will get more accurate resistance changes resulting in more accurate temperatures.

 

[Rizzyking]

OK having a problem with the app thought it was time to have a look at it but when I click on the xcube all I get is "password does not fit, please try again" can't get past that to enter the default password or access the app.

 

[sketchi.engnr]

cant you just adjust the resistance on the x cube?

Ya In "5.settings" then "f. Adjust ohms"
Its necessary, i can confirm that without lowering 2 100ths the ss was getting red hot. Got a good consistent dense cloud going in tc now, shiny coil, white cotton. The way God intended.
And yes 316 24g square rocks the 20g 317 mig wire was insane but worth trying. Need some round wire and ss filament to get claps going.

 

[sketchi.engnr]

OK having a problem with the app thought it was time to have a look at it but when I click on the xcube all I get is "password does not fit, please try again" can't get past that to enter the default password or access the app.

go to main Bluetooth settings in phone and delete x cube.
Only connect via app
However when connected on phone settings, the app still let me in. But couldn't get settings to push to device until connection via app only

 

[Rizzyking]

Thanks sketchi will try that now.

 

[Rizzyking]

Thanks sketchi that sorted it much appreciated .

 

[Imperialchugger]

how do I set up for the fake tc for kanthal?

 

[Croak]

how do I set up for the fake tc for kanthal?

I think you might have the X Cube confused with the iJoy Asolo. There's no "fake tc" with Kanthal on the Smok, it needs nickel, titanium, stainless steel (or NiFe) for any sort of temp control. .

 

[CloudOFsmoke]

Snow wolf also does a fake TC for Kanthal. Its really just a pulsing feature and aint that great.

 

[CloudOFsmoke]

ON a side note, Ive liked the XC off and on for a month or so, but I think its starting to hedge ahead. I was planning on getting an Li, but what the hell, I may just order and XC. Love that firing bar.

 

[Rizzyking]

Yeah I thought it might take some getting used too but the firing bar feels more natural to me and having been using it for a day I prefer it, quite impressed with the xcube so far given the price I don't think there's a more full featured mod out there and while the vape is better on the hcigar 200 it isn't that much better for the extra cash. Maybe I'll alter that view when my TFV4 kit arrives but for now bang for buck the xcube seems very good.

 

[Imperialchugger]

the bar keeps sticking at the beginning but when you get used to the bar its pretty ok. im even surprised theres a time function on it.

 

[CloudOFsmoke]

Anyone buy from Gearbest? Im looking at nabbing it there for the $52, but curious how long delivery takes. Im out of town right and and considering shipping it there.