You got a great point and I'd agree but........ This is certainly not a kid and is not into cloud chasing. Just wants to quit smoking. Recon I could be wrong but my vape shop would do what they could to talk me out of buying a mech and a dripper as a newbie.
So a fella walks into a vape shop......
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You got a great point and I'd agree but........ This is certainly not a kid and is not into cloud chasing. Just wants to quit smoking. Recon I could be wrong but my vape shop would do what they could to talk me out of buying a mech and a dripper as a newbie.
That's no more an analogy than someone who goes into a gun shop to buy a high powered rifle or handgun. A steady diet of Big Macs may kill over time, but a gun can kill in a moment's time. How often do you see in the news kids and young adults who are killed because of a gun accident? That's one of the reasons gun sales are regulated. Are we going to be forced to have our mods regulated because of mod explosions caused by foolish cloud chasers?
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True, but ultimately in any scenario the one buying and using the device is responsible.
It is forums like this which are why the newbie wants a mech and a dripper...
Well the forum picked up an error from your post #41 but that doesn't mean I replied to Flt Simulation and it also doesn't mean you replied to yourself.
I know you enjoy playing devils advocate Steve, but come on.
I don't doubt that some new members have come here to ECF not knowing that mechs and drippers were even a thing and then wanted one.
But I think that many more people have come here with no idea what an e-cig is and been steered and swayed by the mostly sound advice of getting a regulated APV or an ego setup to start with.
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It is not as big of a problem as it used to be, but there have been numerous threads where a new vaper was suggested an eGo kit and others have suggested a mech and re-buildable.
ECF is but a small window of what is going on out in the world. If shops are sending first time users out the door with sub ohm builds that are very close to the batteries rated capacity, it is only a matter of time before something no one wants to happen, will. The hammer is already on its way down, when it smacks, I don't think any of us are going to be pleased with the results...
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True, but at the hobbyist level of vaping- which I consider re-buildables and mechs, they are the largest forum I know of.
If the shop provided a 2 hour rebuilding tutorial with wrapping coils, battery safety, and ohms law then sure it's fine otherwise they are being irresponsible jackasses that just wanted more money.
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Wait, he later said he had worked with electricity most of his career. He further said they demonstrated how to do the build, he had been reading and went back for a second demo. I agree that they probably over sold him but he doesn't seem clueless. Also please note he did not state what he had purchased until the thread had been rolling a while. Many here see a new person post and just want to post a friendly "hi, welcome". I would think they may not read every entry.
I find it hard to believe a vape shop would take the time to show someone in one sitting how to properly use rebuildables and cover all the important stuff but I guess it's possible.
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If a shop is slow the workers usually welcome longer talking sessions where everything could be covered for basic understandings of everything needed. Or 2 hours of me chain vaping all their juice. But on topic if its a good shop and he knows what he's doing great. If it was a bad shop then could end badly.
I personally spent about 150 on equipment and another couple hundred on juice before getting to a point where I started to actually be happy. And in reality I blame that on the b&m that pushed the itazte vv3 when I went in asking for advice and help. Don't get me wrong I liked it and am better for it, but their markup was crazy, and for the money I spent with them I could have an authentic vv/vw box mod and be set for a long time.
I wish they would have pushed a mechanical setup honestly. If they had given the advice I was asking for it would have been plenty safe.
If he went over what things were going on while he was building the coil for you, set you up with quality authentic batteries and charger , went over ohms law and battery safety, with you then I don't see a problem, if he didn't then shame.
I wish they would have pushed a mechanical setup honestly. If they had given the advice I was asking for it would have been plenty safe.
If he went over what things were going on while he was building the coil for you, set you up with quality authentic batteries and charger , went over ohms law and battery safety, with you then I don't see a problem, if he didn't then shame.
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Personally, I wish I could of started out with a mech mod when I first started. The money I would of saved, is huge. As long as they explained to him the rules of mech mods, I see no problem with it at all. If the guy has some common sense, he will do research a lot more before using it.
It's a 2 way street.
It's a 2 way street.
The one I saw on this subject was in my opinion worse than the only linked to in the first few posts. This one { http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/590877-what-did-i-buy.html } The guy didn't even know what MOD or Atty he had.
There is a vape shop I know in Prague, which I am friends with the owner who I visit while on vacation, who has a coil builder on staff. Not only does he make Cisco style dripping attys, but while I was there visiting, a customer came in with a mech who wanted a new coil. The coil builder had one done, tested and installed in minutes- all for about $1.
First of all this is the worst equipment for a beginner and especially a smoker who wants to quit , smokers will look for any reason not to stop smoking and giving him something like that which require maintenance and cleaning most likely will not work for the average smoker.
Second of all , Mech mod ? for a new user ? come on that's risky , I hope they at least explained to him about how to use it safely and that regular AA batteries can't be used for vaping
Working at a B&M myself, I can say that we never push a new vapor towards a mech mod. In fact we try to get them to buy a good regulated vv/vw device to start off and tell them to read up on ohms law, battery safety, and coil building before they even consider a mech (I specifically point them to ECF [emoji4] ). When someone has done their homework or comes in with a mech they are ill-informed on I will still explain everything I can, and stress the fact that they can be dangerous if used improperly. However, I could see less than scrupulous employees from other shops getting really busy and selling gear without finding out experience level and just handing them gear without explaining anything at all, expecting the user to do research. Those shops scare me, and they are the main reason why I try to be extra vigilant in making sure people know the importance of vaping safely.
Tl;dr: While it is nice to sell a mech set-up to a knowledgeable customer, we don't get commission, so I would prefer to downsale a new vaper, and have them come back a happy customer as well as having all their fingers.
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