The VVPV and the VV REO Woodville or VVGrand

[six]

In a few short days, there are going to be a whole lot of people using the REO VV Woodville. There is no doubt that there is a small hoard of REO users about to pounce on the VV Woodville (I've decided to wait for the metal VV Grands - but count me as one of the large number of people who will own a VV Grand)

The notcigs VVPV is ready now and I have had mine running flawlessly for a few weeks. It is a fine device and someday I might even own two of them because I like it so much.

I'm pretty excited about both of these mods being out there in peoples hands. I think both of these mods are masterpieces. Really. I think that the next evolution of professional mods was inevitably this - High quality VV feeders that can actually be produced in good numbers. There are other very worthy VV feeders out there, but I just haven't noticed any that aren't always out of stock or backlogged. Those can't be produced in meaningful numbers. It's just time for some of these guys to make their mark and dig in for the long haul by innovating and producing those innovations while meeting greater demands. That's what both Buzzkill and RedEyeDancer seem to be doing - They're stepping up with a big addition to their product line and have set up reliable machine shops and parts suppliers etc to be able to get hundreds of these things to market. That is commendable.

I think that for the near term, The VV REOS and the notcigs VVPV are going to be the premier devices for a while. These are machines that contain an all day juice capacity and carry an all day charge. Plus, they offer variable regulated voltage. That's just amazing to ponder these devices if we look back only a couple of years ago when nothing like this existed. There are an absolute ton of features packed in to these little devices. I think even some of the die hard VV Tube mod users will end up moving to a VV feeder.

So, as the first wave VV REO users hit, I hope some of you will share your thoughts and experiences. I know of at least a couple of other people besides me that plan to own both the VV REO and the VVPV, who might want to contrast and compare a little bit.

And, VVPV owners please chime in with any insights. Even if you don't plan to get a VV REO, I'd still like to collect peoples thoughts about these devices together in the same conversation. I think that over the next few months, you'll see a few hundred people using one of or both of these devices and being the happiest, most satisfied vapers on ECF.

 

[donnah]

I can't imagine giving up my provari and carto tanks. I'm interested in the vvpv. Can you use cartos and attys or just attys?

 

[six]

I can't imagine giving up my provari and carto tanks. I'm interested in the vvpv. Can you use cartos and attys or just attys?

Cartos are just fine. The only caution, I suppose is the same as top-filling any carto: 100% VG juice takes a while to soak in, so I'm not sure I'd recommend cartos on the VVPV if you are a 100% VG user. But, thinner juices work just as you might expect. And, in fact, cartos increase the capacity. The bottle is 5 ml - and if you start out with a carto you already filled, then you have another ml or two (depending on the size of the carto) on board when you start out.

I do feel that bottom feeders are a little bit friendlier towards cartos (especially when using thick juice). That's one of the reasons I'm excited about the VV REOs. There are a lot of cartos I like and I have probably a dozen or fifteen different cartos in my stock for a total of about 200 or so. It will be nice to be able to use any or all of them on one device without regard for what juice I intend to use or what ohm the coil is in any given carto I put on.

IMO, All things considered, top feeding is about flavor. Others might disagree, and I really can't explain why it is (because I don't know why it is) but dripping produces better flavor than any other vaping method. Top feeding = dripping, but in the case of the VVPV, the mess and hassle of dripping are eliminated. Push a button a couple of times and your dripping is done without ever having to look at what you're doing (much safer while driving, for sure) or carry around a bottle or clean up any juice... etc.

I'm all for tanks. I have a couple of different DC Tanks and I still use my CE2 MAP tanks a few times a week. - Nothing stops you from spinning a tank on the VVPV. In fact, some of BuzzKills' pictures of the VVPV right before the release date included one of his M1A1 tanks on the VVPV.Here is what it might look like.

 

[markfm]

I'm a diehard carto person, really love the buzz pro/m1a1 tank/fusion carto combination, but I certainly agree that the top-feed VVPV is a huge plus in the experience. The thing I really appreciate about VVPV is that every vape is just like the first one, similar to but even better than the very first puff on a clean premium carto.

I'm using VVPV with an IO6 atty and extender sleeve, it's simply amazing

For VVPV use, I'd urge anyone to use a sealed adapter with it. That keeps the center contact clean and dry, especially new-to-atty people like me who are still working on technique. Other than for that, I get the long run time, quality voltage regulation, and general ease of use that's been associated with the Pro line.

Looking forward to test-driving the VV Woody. I won't wait for a Grand -- I'm hooked on the notcigs electronics performance, and quickly coming to appreciate feeders. I didn't know you could use cartos with bottom feeders -- that'll be fun to try. My trusty BP/tank combination will certainly stay in the mix, since I just like that form factor some of the time.

 

[hildicat]

I've had a Reo Grand for nearly half a year now. I was able to get a VVPV in Feb. and though I liked it very much, I came to realize that I just prefer the bottom feeding action that the Reo provides. For some reason I just couldn't get used to the button action juice feed on the VVPV. I'm not saying that the VVPV was a bad device in any way, I just think its personal preference . Since the VVPV was my first VV device, it took me a few days to get used to, but it turned out to be a great vape, with the best part being a consistant vape. The worst part for me was getting the juice hose modded with a drip tip, and I was getting impatient waiting for a propper adapter.

Ultimately, I ended up trading the VVPV for another Reo Grand. I could not be happier with the way the Grand works. It fits my lifstyle perfectly, and I'll be picking up a VV Grand when they are released.

 

[markfm]

VVPV worked easily for me because with the IO6 I picked up the Wharfrat sleeve, which I punched for the feed tube. I hear you that the stock feed tube into a whistle tip was a "meh", at least for me.

I'm expecting the VV Reos will be sweet, too, though I may now be spoiled by a top-fed IO6

 

[kabonk]

I really don't like unregulated voltage any more my Reo grand doesn't get much use since I bought my first provari I'm waiting to kick it but I refuse to pay double the price to get one out of the classifieds I'll wait instead of bending over, I really like my vvpv I'm hoping to get a vv woodvil I might get a VV grand too but if I do it will be an impulse buy.

 

[MXBNW]

Just my 2c hear.

I have one of just two VV REO Woodvils that were sent out for Beta testing. I have been running it for over two months now with no issues at all. I am using the IMR 18350 700mah battery's and a 2.5 ohm atty and loving it. I did use a carto and it works just as well as the 3.7 REO's

I also have two VVPV's and love them for the top feed option. I love the Buzz and BuzzPro for dripping and my Carto tanks but with the VVPV I can drip with out a mess or hassle. I still use my BP with a DCA carto tank for sweet juices and always have at least one running at all times.

I have been vaping now for over two years and smoke free for 24 months as of mid March. Thanks to the Mike from Notcigs and Rob from REOsmods.

The REO's and Notcigs mods are my Go to mods and for now will be the ones I recommend to others. IMO you can not go wrong with ether of these mods or mod builders. Customer service is A+ with both of them.

Just my 2c nothing more.

Hear is my Video Review on the REO Woodvil VV Beta test mod.

 

[donnah]

I've looked at the Reo's over the last year but never bought one.. I opted for the vv bottom feeding army tank. One of the reasons I never bought a Reo is I was afraid that the voltage would drop as the batts discharge. This is a BIG thing for me. When I set a voltage, I want to get that voltage and not have to constantly change batts to get a decent vape. Do the 3.7 reos drop voltage as the batts die like the regular 3.7 box mods do?

 

[six]

. Do the 3.7 reos drop voltage as the batts die like the regular 3.7 box mods do?

Yes. That's the same with any unregulated mod... And yet another reason I'm excited for the VV REOs to be coming out

 

[six]

Time to give this thread a bump with at least one new VV Woodville owner reporting receiving their package today Tomorrow should be the major rush of people starting to get them --- I can hardly wait. I go to work tomorrow about half an hour after my mail carrier usually arrives. When she's late, it usually a couple of hours. Here's to hoping the weather is good and her jeep doesn't break down!

 

[doots]

Six, I have had the VVPV since the beginning and also bought a VV Reo. I love the VVPV as you do. Top feed is different from bottom feed Reos. Both good in different ways.. I love them all and You stated what many of us here have thought.
Things have come a long way in 2 or 3 years from when we began for sure. Hard work and credit goes to these 2 guys for making such great mods! I've owned 4 Reos.. and WILL get a Grand vv when they come out too!

 

[donnah]

I can't imagine giving up my provari and carto tanks. I'm interested in the vvpv. Can you use cartos and attys or just attys?

I actually forgot I posted this LOL... And Six... I see you couldn't resist either!! OK.. I'm not going to give up my Provari and carto tanks but I do love bottom feeding. I've been lusting after the Reos and Buzz pros for a year now and when I had the opportunity to get a device that combined the two... I couldn't pass it up! Mine comes tomorrow and I've given my daughter and my husband strict orders to be here when the mail comes so they can sign for it.. I'm gonna be one mad woman if they miss the mailman!!

 

[six]

And Six... I see you couldn't resist either!!

The universe made me do it. -- I just couldn't help myself. Circumstances changed and I was fortunate to talk myself back in to a VV Woodville - and fortunate to have had the patience to complete the purchase once I logged in to REOs site.

I'm not going to give up my Provari and carto tanks but I do love bottom feeding.

You say that now... Let's remember to chat about this again in a couple of weeks after you've had a little time to fall in love with your VV Woodville

 

[six]

I'm not much of a photographer but here they are together:



VV REO Woodville Bloodwood with a Cisco 306 - and a Notcigs VVPV Black/Black/Brass with an hh.357 + drip tip adapter.

 

[donnah]

You say that now... Let's remember to chat about this again in a couple of weeks after you've had a little time to fall in love with your VV Woodville

LOL.. The woodvil may take up the bulk of my vaping time for awhile but still can't imagine letting the Provari rest long.. and my little vv madvapes box still holds my heart and will go to work with me.. it's the SGT Army Tank that may get neglected though.

 

[six]

I thought I'd be able to contrast and compare these PVs and make some sort of a "pros and cons" list. I thought I'd probably be able to decide that I like one better than the other for one reason or another. There are differences, but concluding I like one more than the other seems unlikely at this point.

They both perform spectacularly well. They both have all day juice capacity and all day battery life. They're both great looking PVs.

I have a 306 w/ 306 to 510 drip tip adapter and a ceramic drip tip on the REO. I have an hh.357, the drip tip adapter, and a ceramic drip tip on the VVPV. Though the REO body is about 3/4 inch taller than the VVPV body, configured the way I have them, they are both 6 inches total height.

Configured the way I have them, the REO VV Woodville weighs 165 grams with atty on and a full bottle of juice (that will be variable depending on what wood - my bloodwood won't weigh the same as cocobolo, for instance) -- And the VVPV is 178 grams with a full bottle of juice, adapter, and atty on.

The electronics are the same, so the performance is the same. I have the hang of both styles of feeding so the consistency is the same. For those new to feeders, I think the pump in the VVPV might be a slightly shorter learning curve, but it really isn't hard to learn how to squonk. When I got my first bottom feeder, I think it took about 2 days to feel like I had completely mastered it. With the VVPV, I haven't had a dry atty hit since the first day.

The REO is friendlier towards cartos. Anyone who fills filler cartos from the top understands that it takes a while for the juice to soak in and that it's best to drip around the sides etc. The VVPV drips right in the middle and though you can use a carto on it, it's really best with attys. The REO - well, squonking a carto isn't much different than squonking an atty.

Batteries - this is the big difference. Once you put the batteries in a VVPV, they stay there until they are worn out and need to be replaced with new ones. It has a charger port and the charger works pass through. The REO, you swap batteries in and out and use an external charger. --> I sort of like not changing out batteries, but I also sort of like rotating my batts. It's really tough to say how many charge cycles any given battery is going to be able to go through before it starts to get weak. I like to have opportunities to meter my batts when I wonder how they are doing... but I don't mind doing long term storage of fresh batts. So, maybe that's a toss up.

The VVPV came with some color coding on the voltage wheel. The REO did not. I plan to mark the REO myself with some nail pollish or similar because it really is handy to have some visual cues on where the device is set.

 

[GeminII]

I appreciate the insights here. Just yesterday, bottom-fed box mods got my attention and I did a TON of research. Within hours, my determination to buy a Provari as my next VV mod shattered LOL. I just got my Buzz Pro a couple weeks ago, and in that time I have had a lot of experience with tanks and dripping. I love the capacity of the tank , and the vapor and flavor experience of dripping is simply The Best Vape IMO. Alas, these two things seemed polar opposites and I'd resigned myself to compromising - more convenience vs stellar experience. Then I learned of bottom feeding and squonking...ingenious! LOL. Have cake and vape it too! I admit that when I started vaping about a month ago, I found the box mods clunky and unappealing. I see the light now! ;-)

Having been spoiled for regulated variable voltage (man, I love the Buzz Pro...), my research inevitably led to the units discussed here. I think my holy grail is a constantly fed LR Cisco 306... and I think I can have it on the VV Reo Woodvil. I can also use my cartos. On the VVPV, I really like the top feed/drip and the passthrough aspect. Thanks for posting pics and your observations!

So for now, Provari will wait... I've got squonkin' to do! I'm watching the Reo site like a hawk!

 

[donnah]

I appreciate the insights here. Just yesterday, bottom-fed box mods got my attention and I did a TON of research. Within hours, my determination to buy a Provari as my next VV mod shattered LOL. I just got my Buzz Pro a couple weeks ago, and in that time I have had a lot of experience with tanks and dripping. I love the capacity of the tank , and the vapor and flavor experience of dripping is simply The Best Vape IMO. Alas, these two things seemed polar opposites and I'd resigned myself to compromising - more convenience vs stellar experience. Then I learned of bottom feeding and squonking...ingenious! LOL. Have cake and vape it too! I admit that when I started vaping about a month ago, I found the box mods clunky and unappealing. I see the light now! ;-)

Having been spoiled for regulated variable voltage (man, I love the Buzz Pro...), my research inevitably led to the units discussed here. I think my holy grail is a constantly fed LR Cisco 306... and I think I can have it on the VV Reo Woodvil. I can also use my cartos. On the VVPV, I really like the top feed/drip and the passthrough aspect. Thanks for posting pics and your observations!

So for now, Provari will wait... I've got squonkin' to do! I'm watching the Reo site like a hawk!

Although I did choose the Provari as my "nice" device.. I have always wanted a Buzz and a Reo. When the opportunity rolled around to own a device that combined both.. I couldn't pass it up! And I'm glad I didn't! The Reo feeds like a dream and the draw is sooo smooth compared to my other bottom feeders.. I know it's just a "battery" but somehow with the air notches.. the Reo provides a super smooth draw. I love my Provari and my vv madvapes box but they're going to have to share me with someone else now

 

[GeminII]

Although I did choose the Provari as my "nice" device.. I have always wanted a Buzz and a Reo. When the opportunity rolled around to own a device that combined both.. I couldn't pass it up! And I'm glad I didn't! The Reo feeds like a dream and the draw is sooo smooth compared to my other bottom feeders.. I know it's just a "battery" but somehow with the air notches.. the Reo provides a super smooth draw. I love my Provari and my vv madvapes box but they're going to have to share me with someone else now

I still want the black satin provari with blue LEDs... And if I can get gold caps, HUGE plus!
I've been looking at the mapvapes vv box - does that one feed a 306 pretty well? Any leakage issues? For the price, I'm totally not picky, just wondered if you thought it'd be a good, representative intro to bottom fed mods?