VZ SC Tobacco Flavors - an attempt to organize the madness.

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After extensive testing of many of the VZ SC tobacco flavors, I discovered that many of them share certain characteristics and can be somewhat grouped together. Not only that, several of them seem to transition from one to the next fairly smoothly. With that in mind, I thought I would break them down here for anyone wanting to get an idea of how they relate to each other, rather than trying to describe the flavors individually.

My personal favorites in each group are colored blue.

NOTE: Keep in mind that this is very subjective, and is just my take on it!

Flue Cured Flavors

These have a very neutral, mild, and sweet flavor. They don't have the typical harshness that you would expect from a true tobacco flavor.

Virginia Flue Cured (VFC) - Very smooth; makes for a nice ADV and a base for many mixes. I use a few drops of it as a foundation for mixes when I don't want much (or any) tobacco flavor, but need something with "body" to attach other flavors to...if that makes sense.

Honey Flue Cured (HFC) - Almost identical to VFC, but a little sweeter.

Chocolate/Burly Flavors

These flavors seem to transition from a heavy chocolate, "wet" flavor to a very dry, pure burly flavor. They are listed here in order of most chocolate to most burly. Interestingly enough, the transition from Black Cigar to Burly (in the order shown below) seems pretty smooth to me. I've found that I can sometimes be off one flavor in either direction in a blind taste test, due to the similarities in adjacent flavors.

Black Cigar - Pretty heavy on the chocolate. Good for adding some bottom end to other tobacco mixes, or as a standalone chocolate tobacco.

Cigar - Very similar to BC, but a little less chocolate. Makes a good base for heavy, fruity tobacco blends.

Blended Tobacco - Still has some chocolate, but starts to transition into more of a pure tobacco flavor. Not a big fan of this one, but I'll check it out again after more steep time (currently at about a week).

Dunhill - Very similar to the Mild Seven, but a little more aromatic and better tasting IMO.

Mild Seven - Still has a slight hint of chocolate, but more burly flavored. A somewhat odd flavor with a weird after-taste sometimes. One of those love it/hate it blends I think, due to the occasional after-taste.

Seven Star - Very similar to Mild Seven, but very little to no chocolate and a better finish. I consider this to be the beginning of the burly tobaccos.

555 - A little stronger and more aromatic. A bit perfumy, but mellows out after a couple of weeks.

Real Cig - Less aromatic than 555, more burly. A little harsh at first, but smooths out nicely with steeping.

Parliament - Most "realistic" cigarette tobacco that I've tried. Very good, dry cigarette flavor that isn't too harsh, with just a hint of a nutty undertone. People who enjoy Hangsen RY1 should like this I think, as they are somewhat similar...although I find the RY1 a bit weaker with more of a peanut butter taste.

Burly - Very dry and distinct. Once you taste this flavor, you'll easily recognize it in the other tobaccos. I don't really care for it on it's own, but it's excellent for adding a bit of a cigarette vibe to any other flavor. (If nothing else, you should buy some of this and the Black Cigar, just so this post makes sense. LOL)

Complex Flavors

I grouped these here because they don't seem to fit within the somewhat smooth transition from Black Cigar to Burly. I used the term "complex" simply for lack of a better description.

It's worth noting that for whatever reason, I've noticed that the first three flavors in this group are more sensitive to bad wicks and the equipment than the other flavors; possibly due to them containing something pleasant that is not far from an unpleasant burnt wick taste.

BTW - Picking a favorite from this group was difficult; I like them all. ;)

September Wolves - Slightly burly flavor, with what seems to be a hint of cinnamon or maybe mint. Nice after a couple of weeks of steeping. EDIT: This one is getting better and better with age. It's starting to look like a good candidate for some experimentation.

Old Captain - Very similar to September Wolves, but more arromatic and not as burly. Makes a great secondary vape when you want something different.

French Pipe - This flavor has a lot going on with it, and is one of those flavors that you will either love or hate. It is a very perfumed flavor, but not in a bad way. I've never smoked (or smelled) a French pipe, but I have a feeling this is what it would taste like.

Island Tobacco - This one is really out there, and tastes like nothing else I've tried. There seems to be hints of chocolate, coconut, and at times maybe even some banana. Whatever it is, it is starting to grow on me after a week or so.

IMO, these are all excellent flavors that are easy to mix, with only one or two that I don't really care for. And even those are just a matter of personal preference; not so much the flavors themselves.

I'll update this as I try more of the VZ SC tobaccos.

Thoughts?
 
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Great reviews calan :) and the suggestion of flavor groupings are correct. Hopefully this gets moved to the flavor reviews section we have on ECF. VZ is discussed/described there along with any and all other flavorings.

I do agree that they fall into groupings taste wise as well as smell wise. Some are a bit too perfumey even after a steep-- as for this chicky smell matters...lol

My favorites so far are Old Captain, Black Cigar with other flavors, Island Tobacco and Shisha but I do like many others as well. I gravitate towards cigar or pipe flavors and certain tobaccos that lean toward burley and flue cured. I really have to try that September Wolves and Burley next as I haven't made my way through the entire lineup yet although I have had quite a few of them. I like hearing other people's opinions on the ones I haven't tried yet so I appreciate the input. Knowing which ones I allready like and hearing others opinions/descriptions helps me distinguish the likelihood of me liking something before I buy.

Edit: Gourmet Yuco is awesome for me if you like Old Captain you may like that one too.
 
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Gourmet Yuco is awesome for me if you like Old Captain you may like that one too.

I've had that one in the cart a time or two. Just can't bring myself to pull the trigger on an $8 unknown. :)

I have a bottle of Sisha that they sent me as a sample. Just haven't had a chance to mix any up yet.
 
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I've always felt the Dunhill, Island Tobacco and French Pipe have the same chocolate base as the ones you put in the chocolate category.

After reading this, I did some more side-by-side testing with the Dunhill, and I agree that it has more chocolate than I've noticed before. In fact, it tastes very similar to the Mild Seven. I updated my list, but I'll test it again once my sense of taste and smell recover from the chain vaping. :D

As for Island and FP...they have so much going on that I can't really place them on the chocolate > burly scale. They are both very good though in their own right.

Thanks for the feedback!
 

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@calan You did a great job describing those VZ SC flavors. Keep up the good work and post more as you try other flavors.

Thanks. I hope people get some use out of it. ;)

What I would really like to do is find a way to somehow record other people's opinions on the same scale (or similar type of arrangement), so as to develop a way for people to find others with similar perceptions. Or, use the majority approach. The idea is simple; collecting and organizing the data...not so much.

I have a good idea on how I could present this as a two-axis scatter chart, which would make it really easy to get an idea of how one flavor relates to another. The problem is, if nobody else has the same perceptions of them as I do, it's pretty useless, even to me... since I already have the flavors. :D
 
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I feel that way about Highway, Tidewater and Klondike. I haven't seen any reviews on either.


I've had that one in the cart a time or two. Just can't bring myself to pull the trigger on an $8 unknown. :)

I have a bottle of Sisha that they sent me as a sample. Just haven't had a chance to mix any up yet.
 

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I got Klondike, Snuff Box, Tabakum, Chocolate Truffle and another spare Caramel today and Mocha Coffee. I too was leary due to finances and bought two at a time the first 2 orders. I have found all 5 I have tried this far to be good to excellent--no duds but then again I waited to hear other's opinions like you guys have before I bought. I only wish I had got more spongecake before it got sold out.

There is more info in the DIY flavors reviews section of this forum on a post started by BlueSnake.
 
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So... I got bored and started working on this:

tobacco_flavors_chart.jpg

The bubble size represents relative complexity. The rest is pretty self-explanatory.

I wonder if it's a coincidence that I don't really care for the two flavors that fall in the lower-left quadrant? :)
 
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