So how is it possible that all that is exhaled is water vapor?

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dna

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I'm just finding it a bit confusing. Obviously you're sucking in more than water vapor because otherwise there would be no point in a PV. I know there's no odor, but no odor does not mean there's nothing "in" the vapor you exhale.

I'm just not understanding the physics of it and have been treating it a bit like second hand smoke so far as my son is concerned (not that avoiding vaping in front of him doesn't have other benefits.) Is there an explanation for the claim that all you exhale is water vapor?
 
From what I understand... and this his high school chemistry... When you inhale the vapor the nicotine molecule is absorbed through your lung walls. As far as the exhale goes, I am sure there are some that are left back but not enough to affect anyone else around you. Honestly the vapor dispirits so quickly you cant even breath it in a second time. Even if you did you wouldn't get much or anything at all.
 

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It's not "all" water vapor, but it is "mostly".

The VG or PG base used in the liquid is a humectant, draws water out of the air:
Humectant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That's why you need to drink water, since the vape is pulling the water out of you (out of the air inside your mouth and lungs). The vapor you see is the water bonded to the PG/VG molecules.
 

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I'm just finding it a bit confusing. Obviously you're sucking in more than water vapor because otherwise there would be no point in a PV. I know there's no odor, but no odor does not mean there's nothing "in" the vapor you exhale.

It's not just water vapor, it's the same vaporized PG that you inhaled, minus whatever stuck around in your lungs. If I smoke in the garage I can see the vapor cloud hanging around in there, just like I used to with cigarette smoke. But, after doing some research on it (I'm a research junkie) I found that vaporized PG isn't harmful, and may actually be beneficial in small doses.
 

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Okay, this makes more sense. I guess the "it's just water vapor" thing is more of a claim to explain to non-smokers what the stuff in the air basically is.

So I guess I'm going to keep up not vaping near the two year old, though I'm not going to go outside, merely on the logic that what is "okay" for a 37 year old ex-smoker might be less so for a toddler with clean pink lungs and there's no point in risking it. No reason to subject him to anything, he's not the one that smoked, lol.
 

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From what I understand... and this his high school chemistry... When you inhale the vapor the nicotine molecule is absorbed through your lung walls. As far as the exhale goes, I am sure there are some that are left back but not enough to affect anyone else around you. Honestly the vapor dispirits so quickly you cant even breath it in a second time. Even if you did you wouldn't get much or anything at all.

From what I have read, when you vape you do not absorb much nicotine into your lungs as you do with cigarette smoke. The reason is that the size of the vapor droplets are too large to be absorbed by the lungs. The bulk of the nicotine absorbtion is thru the mouth.
 

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Some reading on the subject for you (and those interested): Analysis of electronic cigarette vapor


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Unfortunately, all I got from that post you linked to was that tests have been done, but all the data is incorrect due to poorly-run testing. The only thing in that post that "tells" us anything is pretty much a "best guess" by the OP (based on the tests the OP says are all skewed anyway?).

It would be nice if someone (an objective laboratory with *no* interest for or against e-cigs) could do some studies on what we are exhaling into the air around us. I, for one, would like to know more than just "oh it's mostly water vapor". I'm not that concerned about the PG/VG, but I would like to know how much of the nicotine actually makes it back into the air, and the effects of this occurring long-term.

I have heard of people that have been vaping for a while (can't say exactly how long) that have cleaned "yellowish gunk" off their computer screens, etc. This would imply that some nicotine is getting back into the air and over time that nicotine will build-up on things (or in other people/pets lungs?). But is it enough to be harmful? These are the things that concern me.
 

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Unfortunately, all I got from that post you linked to was that tests have been done, but all the data is incorrect due to poorly-run testing. The only thing in that post that "tells" us anything is pretty much a "best guess" by the OP (based on the tests the OP says are all skewed anyway?).

It would be nice if someone (an objective laboratory with *no* interest for or against e-cigs) could do some studies on what we are exhaling into the air around us. I, for one, would like to know more than just "oh it's mostly water vapor". I'm not that concerned about the PG/VG, but I would like to know how much of the nicotine actually makes it back into the air, and the effects of this occurring long-term.

I have heard of people that have been vaping for a while (can't say exactly how long) that have cleaned "yellowish gunk" off their computer screens, etc. This would imply that some nicotine is getting back into the air and over time that nicotine will build-up on things (or in other people/pets lungs?). But is it enough to be harmful? These are the things that concern me.

Of course, you are right, but the problem is these are the only tests that have been done on vapor - as far as I am aware. It's down to money in the end, naturally, and a basic trial costs $75,000. Up to now there hasn't been much interest in running trials except by one or two manufacturers, and as you can see they didn't realise that not only would they need to fund such a trial, they would need to closely manage it, because laboratory staff have universally proven less than able to produce the goods - in these and other trials.

In fact, the one thing that all the various trials up to now have proved is that no matter what laboratory is involved or which academics are running the trials, the research will be mismanaged and produce less than useful results unless experienced electronic cigarette users are present.

If you go to the NVC forum here, you'll find they are in the process of setting up the first community-funded trials (IVAQS) that will address these issues. You are strongly encouraged to donate to this project.

Film on windows: anything you can see in the air can potentially condense on or attach to surfaces it comes into contact with. Due to the percentages in the vapor I think that flavorings are likely to be the most prevalent constituent of the film left by vapor, followed by a tiny amount of PG, VG and nicotine.

At this stage - without definitive research - vapor straight from the e-cig looks to be two-thirds water, small percentages of PG, VG and nicotine, and the bulk being flavoring (about 17%). What the exhaled vapor consists of is not known; one guess is that the water content will be higher as some of the solids will have been retained within the body.

It's not clear to me where all the water vapor comes from in the first place as there isn't much in the e-liquid, but no doubt it's the same as a fog machine, the water comes from that in the liquid plus that in the atmosphere. A fog machine has a larger atomizer chamber though, and perhaps this allows the creation of a greater volume of visible fog as the air volume in the chamber is larger. As we breathe out water vapor naturally, there would be plenty available to be made visible by the PG and VG.
 

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Unfortunately, all I got from that post you linked to was that tests have been done, but all the data is incorrect due to poorly-run testing. The only thing in that post that "tells" us anything is pretty much a "best guess" by the OP (based on the tests the OP says are all skewed anyway?).

It would be nice if someone (an objective laboratory with *no* interest for or against e-cigs) could do some studies on what we are exhaling into the air around us. I, for one, would like to know more than just "oh it's mostly water vapor". I'm not that concerned about the PG/VG, but I would like to know how much of the nicotine actually makes it back into the air, and the effects of this occurring long-term.

I have heard of people that have been vaping for a while (can't say exactly how long) that have cleaned "yellowish gunk" off their computer screens, etc. This would imply that some nicotine is getting back into the air and over time that nicotine will build-up on things (or in other people/pets lungs?). But is it enough to be harmful? These are the things that concern me.

Yes, I agree with you. My husband works in research (not medical research) and he is skeptical of all the research done to date.

Mostly I am concerned about second-hand effects. I can accept that this is the "lesser evil" to smoking without too much evidence, but when it comes to my child, obviously I'd like a bit more hard-evidence. Even if the outcome was that nicotine went into the air (which does seem very possible) it would be nice to know.

Until these things get dealt with by the FDA, that's probably not going to happen. And of course, getting evaluated by the FDA involves a whole possible set of outcomes...Including banning in the US, which I think would be bad.

But I am not, at this point, a committed "vaper." I am a committed "ex smoker." And I acknowledge that all of the substances involved are invariably going to be more harmful than not-smoking at all. I would just like to know how harmful and for whom.

It is not, obviously, an off-hand dismisal of the whole endeavor (as you'll find online "Well, you don't know what's in them!" - well, we don't really "know" what is it analogs and they are legal.) But my primary motivation here is to improve my son's life, in a variety of ways.

I saw that study linked for Boston-dwellers and I am one - I was disinclined to do it, because of the hassle, but thinking about it, I might. Because I want to see the results of that study, you know?
 

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It's not just water vapor, it's the same vaporized PG that you inhaled, minus whatever stuck around in your lungs. If I smoke in the garage I can see the vapor cloud hanging around in there, just like I used to with cigarette smoke. But, after doing some research on it (I'm a research junkie) I found that vaporized PG isn't harmful, and may actually be beneficial in small doses.

Oh good someone else who can see the vapor hanging around. I keep reading it dissipates in a few seconds, but at night, while watching tv in darkened room, I can see it hang for quite a while. I grab a towel and swing air at it because it reminds me of when I smoked. :facepalm:
 
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