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  1. TheIllustratedMan

    Whats realy going on with the fda"s ban

    I'm a little hurt Sun... :p But yes, excellent sentiment Janet.
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    press 1 for english will not be tolerated any longer

    If that's the case, why do they need federal funds?
  3. TheIllustratedMan

    Consumer Reports - need suggestions please

    Here are some resources to take a look at: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/group.php?do=discuss&group=&discussionid=157 The thing with consumer reports is that they buy a product, test it out, and report back (at least that's my understanding). They may be leery of purchasing and...
  4. TheIllustratedMan

    Whats realy going on with the fda"s ban

    A) The FDA does not do clinical studies on products, therefore cannot tax a product to pay for studies. B) Under what pretext would a federal, state, or local tax fall? NRTs are not taxed. In NY at least, they aren't even subject to sales tax. How would an approved electronic cigarette be any...
  5. TheIllustratedMan

    Call for better Chinese Liquid making industry processes

    An idea I'm tossing around, in case you didn't see it yet: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-smoking-discussion/31000-hypothetically-would-you-commit-heading-toward-fda-approval.html
  6. TheIllustratedMan

    ECA Response to the fda

    NJOY is a member of the ECA... also, haven't we seen this already?
  7. TheIllustratedMan

    Hypothetically, would you commit to this? (heading toward FDA approval)

    Whew! Only took me 3 pages to get my point across... :-D Thanks for the discussion though, puts some more seeds in the old noggin. -Nate
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    Hypothetically, would you commit to this? (heading toward FDA approval)

    Absolutely they by-pass 1-4, because the industry (used as a catch-all for all companies who wish to gain FDA approval) has by-passed them. The companies (if that's more to your liking) need to go back to step 1 while still providing us with product. This is my idea for how that might possibly...
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    Hypothetically, would you commit to this? (heading toward FDA approval)

    I see what you're saying, but the ultimate goal here would be to get the FDA to come to some agreement where the approval process is expedited (seeing as how there's already an industry developing), and sales would be allowed to continue provided certain benchmarks are met in that process. This...
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    Hypothetically, would you commit to this? (heading toward FDA approval)

    What it would hopefully do is show the FDA that the industry can be responsible, self-regulate if need be, and can provide a product that is safe. I don't know for sure, but it's my understanding that synthetic nicotine eliminates the TSNA problem, and preventing contaminants is manufacturing...
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    Hypothetically, would you commit to this? (heading toward FDA approval)

    Sorry I wasn't clear (updated the first post): I do not mean FDA approved. The possibility of increased manufacturing costs would be due to increased packaging requirements and testing that would be self-imposed in order to get their sticker. The companies would be accountable to a hypothetical...
  12. TheIllustratedMan

    insurance and their views of vaping

    I would imagine, that since those are cessation products designed for short-term use, they would still look at you as a smoker. The idea being that if you're using an NRT you *were* a smoker up until (at most) 6 months ago. Because of the short time since you smoked, you are still a risk to...
  13. TheIllustratedMan

    Hypothetically, would you commit to this? (heading toward FDA approval)

    As in: "I will only buy liquid from manufacturers who are following these guidelines." Since the "regulatory" body would have no real power other than handing out stickers, the plan centers on consumers only giving their business to those who have the stickers. There would still be competition...
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    Hypothetically, would you commit to this? (heading toward FDA approval)

    *NOTE!! I DO NOT MEAN FDA APPROVED! READ THIS BEFORE VOTING!* Consider this scenario: A list of regulations for liquid is drawn up to be consistent with what the FDA might be looking for regarding safety. An example might be: Each lot is assigned an ID number. Lot numbers are standardized...
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    press 1 for english will not be tolerated any longer

    Constitutional Topic: Official Language - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net The language in use in any given area in the United States will be whatever language is spoken by the people of that area. If you want to do business with someone, and they only speak Cantonese, you...
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    press 1 for english will not be tolerated any longer

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  17. TheIllustratedMan

    The Silver Spoon: a silver-colored mouthpiece

    Yeah, but who uses those? :p
  18. TheIllustratedMan

    insurance and their views of vaping

    It's an interesting idea, but I highly doubt a reputable insurance company is going to go anywhere near a specifically "UNAPPROVED" device. Once they're approved, then maybe, but by then you've gotten all you wanted anyway, and only the vendors are benefiting from the idea.
  19. TheIllustratedMan

    Prominent Doctors Respond to the FDA

    I don't advocate calling for a ban of cigarettes. That said, I do think that we necessarily have to point out the differences between the risks associated with smoking and the risks associated with "vaping". That means pointing out things like: smoking kills 400,000 Americans a year, there...
  20. TheIllustratedMan

    Has anyone seen this?

    I believe he meant that he is under a Non-Disclosure Agreement (NDA) and so can't share details that may be covered under such a document. -Nate
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