you sure the FDA has any control over age restrictions etc? I thought the ATF still has some jurisdiction over tobacco, wouldn't they still see those as tobacco products?
I was kinda thinking of Eric Cartman from south park in the NASCAR episode. but now that you say that I can definitely see that too.
but yeah, you know that's EXACTLY why they're doing this, right? here in Missouri, you can get a carton of really cheap ... cigs made by off brand companies for...
yew mean ay cant get dem dun Decades fer twenny dallers a carten inneymer? this dun be an outrage!
No but seriously, that's really stupid, this is obviously a ploy to help BT by raising up the prices of cheap cigarettes like edgefields and decades so the low income people who smoke them...
I swear to GOD man... these antis say some of the stupidest things sometimes. The fact of the matter is that you can put a lot of things in your mouth, but your lungs are really only meant for air. anything that only enters your mouth and not your lungs is much better than something you inhale...
So I thought I would google what percent of tobacco related deaths are from cigarettes vs other tobacco products, and I stumbled upon this little gem from an anti-smoking website on one of those "tobacco fact sheets":
"Smokeless tobacco products are less lethal, but are not a safer...
great..... now we're going have the anti's say things like "people are so desperately addicted to nicotine that they'll hurt or kill anybody to get it, making nicotine as dangerous a drug as crack or ...."
I saw that. but you know, the way I'm beginning to see the FDA, I'm starting to think they're really just the middle-men in all this. I think the guy is telling a half-truth; The FDA's approval process IS highly expensive, however if you're in the big pharma club (johnson&johnson, pfizer, etc.)...
but see, these are the people we're up against here. they run EVERYTHING, and everybody just blindly believes them, if they say E-cigs are just as bad as smoking, everybody will believe them and demonize e-cigs just as much. we'll fight all we can, but can we really win against somebody who not...
that's true, we are winning at the state level, but organizations like WHO, whom everybody mindlessly believes, are starting to fight harder and harder. especially the EU is really getting screwed over. I hope everything turns out good in the end, but all the most powerful organizations are...
....but I wind up seeing nothing but bad news that both scares me and pisses me off :grr: why are people so evil? screw these fear mongering drug companies! I hope these heartless disgraces to the human race all rot in prison some day, and I hope that if they do, they all get put with cellmates...
I wanna try their stuff, based on their snus, camel's dissolvables are probably a lot sweeter than Star Scientific's brands, and with dissolvables that's probably a good thing. I bet it isn't very strong nicotine wise, but that's ok, as long as it tastes good and gives me enough to make college...
I just requested java at my gas station, I know they used to have natural and it didn't sell so they stopped carrying it, but that was before I used it, so they gotta be able to get java, they've had wintergreen for about 2-3 years now. maybe they'll happen to get BDL so I can tell you all what...
nothing surprising here. all the stuff we need is probably sent via personal e-mails and discussed under the table between the FDA/WHO/etc. and the drug companies. I'd love to see the day somebody gets their hands on that stuff. I bet they discuss ways to ensure that NRT sales aren't threatened...
also I'm getting 0 nic, so that's a good way to test what just the flavor with no nicotine tastes like. I think to get my nicotine I'm just going to use stonewalls from now on and just vape for the hand/mouth/taste.
so don't put it under my lip like snus and just put it where you would a jawbreaker or some other sphere-shaped hard candy? thanks that helps a lot. I don't think I could do it with wintergreen though, I gotta wait till I can get my hands on some java first, and I need to wait about a month to...
alright if some people like it that's good enough for me to want to try it. I was just making sure it wasn't one of those screw up flavors that just about everybody hates
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