So I have finally gotten around to posting a bit of information here on an experiment that I think has a lot of potential but still needs some growth.
Yes the title said it... .1 ohm no catastrophic battery failure either... and you can get your batteries at Walgreens!
Sound too good to be true? Well, its so darned close.
So here's the first pic:
That is I believe 20 gauge... Can we say permanent coil?
So I know this sounds a bit crazy, so here's a little back story. Being in the modder's ecig world you eventually happen upon places like Candlelight forums for the amazingly well documented battery performance. While going through this source of information one day, I happened upon the Eneloop battery... there were a series of charted performance graphs that displayed this little 1.2v battery discharging at its distant max at... 10 amps! Well I had to try it.
so here's the not so stellar part... It performs like an old original 510 did back when they just looked like cigarettes... but I really think it can grow from here if we look to a few details.
So before I finish, I bet people are already looking for prices on that 20 gauge wire... well fear not, you already have all you need to wire up a rebuildable or genisis style atty for 1.2 volts...
Parallel pathways!
This is a 1x6 1 round wrap with 28 gauge, I ran additonal coils with 1x6 30 gauge and several varieties.
So none of my equipment will accurately measure resistance past one decimal place or really even to an exact .1, its just too little for a tool that can also do 240v AC and hundreds of ohms of resistance... but alas I depart from the subject.
What I have found is this... the Eneloop BASED batteries will output to their max, dont get hot, basically at this point cannot be under resisted and do not seem to suffer from the high drain. I ran a setup like this on and off for over a month and solid as my only vape for a week... Now again... it is nothing like my .9 ohm geni on a fresh battery on a mechanical mod... but shoot I also bought half the batteries at the local drug store.
Never seen Eneloops in a Walgreens? That is because Eneloop distributes their batteries through Duracell largely. Look for Duracell rechargeables that say they were made in Japan NOT china, they should have OVER 1000 recharges listed preferably to be the more current versions. But in my experience, even the Energizer ... (low self discharge, not the other stuff) style batteries will keep up pretty close. For more information on which Duracells are correct, search google for the term 'Duraloop' this are the coined term for rebranded eneloops by duracell.
Couple final tips before I send this loose...
1. Where to use it.... any truly 'telescoping' device like the ChiChi can fit an AA battery and anything that fits a 500 tall can work (14500, 18490, 18500 etc) I just threw a rubber band around the AA.
2. This is seriously high current... I doubt this pulls more than 5-7 amps in the real world from the performance I get (5-8 watts maybe feeling) yes I said amps first, because these batteries are 1v ish 1.2 peak. This means that if you have a poor connection on your switch, or any where else, it will race to compete with the .1 ohm resistance, and heat there just as fast. This is hot button city if you dont have a very clean connection mod! All connections should be as tight as safely possible.
and a few last winning positives that make me hope we can figure out how to make this rock!
-the batteries are a couple bucks a piece
-the batteries can be bought at almost every store around
-the batteries do not explode, violently vent and are almost impossible to over draw (self limiting, and I tried
)
-also I could not kill these batteries... most of the time I ran them until they just stopped producing vaper... all recharged after
-relatively low variance from charged to discharged voltage. The high quality ... batteries only vary from 1.2 to 1.0 under load for their entire life... once they hit 1 volt they basically just stop discharging (any real current) and yes its still ~20% but feels less... peak and valley than a lithum
-coils with 20, 22 and 24 gauge feel like they will last for ages!! they are super easy to clean, so easy to pull wicks in and out of, and just darned look cool
And some of the issues we face if using them
-peak output I would put in the mediocre range of 6 watts nominally but this may be impacted by the coil styling
-battery life, when converted down, the AA battery holds close to but a bit less energy than a 14500 (nimh and lithum are realtively close in energy density) some volume is lost to the improvement in ... properties and low resistance so expect to change these regularly (at least they are small and relatively safe to carry around)
Ok and one last pointing to areas to explore, 2xAA parallel. This will mean that 2x the amps can be pulled easily but it also means that my above mentioning of (no resistance is too little resistance) will stop applying once they can output enough combined.
Of course once we open up the AA field, there are endless combinations to try, how about .3 ohms at 2.4v? or running 4aa 2serialx2parallel
Yes the title said it... .1 ohm no catastrophic battery failure either... and you can get your batteries at Walgreens!
Sound too good to be true? Well, its so darned close.
So here's the first pic:
That is I believe 20 gauge... Can we say permanent coil?
So I know this sounds a bit crazy, so here's a little back story. Being in the modder's ecig world you eventually happen upon places like Candlelight forums for the amazingly well documented battery performance. While going through this source of information one day, I happened upon the Eneloop battery... there were a series of charted performance graphs that displayed this little 1.2v battery discharging at its distant max at... 10 amps! Well I had to try it.
so here's the not so stellar part... It performs like an old original 510 did back when they just looked like cigarettes... but I really think it can grow from here if we look to a few details.
So before I finish, I bet people are already looking for prices on that 20 gauge wire... well fear not, you already have all you need to wire up a rebuildable or genisis style atty for 1.2 volts...
Parallel pathways!
This is a 1x6 1 round wrap with 28 gauge, I ran additonal coils with 1x6 30 gauge and several varieties.
So none of my equipment will accurately measure resistance past one decimal place or really even to an exact .1, its just too little for a tool that can also do 240v AC and hundreds of ohms of resistance... but alas I depart from the subject.
What I have found is this... the Eneloop BASED batteries will output to their max, dont get hot, basically at this point cannot be under resisted and do not seem to suffer from the high drain. I ran a setup like this on and off for over a month and solid as my only vape for a week... Now again... it is nothing like my .9 ohm geni on a fresh battery on a mechanical mod... but shoot I also bought half the batteries at the local drug store.
Never seen Eneloops in a Walgreens? That is because Eneloop distributes their batteries through Duracell largely. Look for Duracell rechargeables that say they were made in Japan NOT china, they should have OVER 1000 recharges listed preferably to be the more current versions. But in my experience, even the Energizer ... (low self discharge, not the other stuff) style batteries will keep up pretty close. For more information on which Duracells are correct, search google for the term 'Duraloop' this are the coined term for rebranded eneloops by duracell.
Couple final tips before I send this loose...
1. Where to use it.... any truly 'telescoping' device like the ChiChi can fit an AA battery and anything that fits a 500 tall can work (14500, 18490, 18500 etc) I just threw a rubber band around the AA.
2. This is seriously high current... I doubt this pulls more than 5-7 amps in the real world from the performance I get (5-8 watts maybe feeling) yes I said amps first, because these batteries are 1v ish 1.2 peak. This means that if you have a poor connection on your switch, or any where else, it will race to compete with the .1 ohm resistance, and heat there just as fast. This is hot button city if you dont have a very clean connection mod! All connections should be as tight as safely possible.
and a few last winning positives that make me hope we can figure out how to make this rock!
-the batteries are a couple bucks a piece
-the batteries can be bought at almost every store around
-the batteries do not explode, violently vent and are almost impossible to over draw (self limiting, and I tried
)-also I could not kill these batteries... most of the time I ran them until they just stopped producing vaper... all recharged after
-relatively low variance from charged to discharged voltage. The high quality ... batteries only vary from 1.2 to 1.0 under load for their entire life... once they hit 1 volt they basically just stop discharging (any real current) and yes its still ~20% but feels less... peak and valley than a lithum
-coils with 20, 22 and 24 gauge feel like they will last for ages!! they are super easy to clean, so easy to pull wicks in and out of, and just darned look cool
And some of the issues we face if using them
-peak output I would put in the mediocre range of 6 watts nominally but this may be impacted by the coil styling
-battery life, when converted down, the AA battery holds close to but a bit less energy than a 14500 (nimh and lithum are realtively close in energy density) some volume is lost to the improvement in ... properties and low resistance so expect to change these regularly (at least they are small and relatively safe to carry around)
Ok and one last pointing to areas to explore, 2xAA parallel. This will mean that 2x the amps can be pulled easily but it also means that my above mentioning of (no resistance is too little resistance) will stop applying once they can output enough combined.
Of course once we open up the AA field, there are endless combinations to try, how about .3 ohms at 2.4v? or running 4aa 2serialx2parallel
