100% PG Juice + Boge 2.0 ohm Cartos @ 3.7v = Juice in the Mouth?

[Jin]

Hello everyone!
I'm posting this thread because I'm having a pretty puzzling problem and I'm hoping I can get some explanation as to why this happening and what can be done about it. Here's the situation...

I have an allergy to VG so I vape 100% PG juice (strange I know, but apparently some people do have VG allergies lol). Up until recently my only e-cig experience was with a Joye 510 that I've owned for quite some time. It worked well enough but I never really got the kind of satisfaction from my vaping experience that I was looking for so I decided to try a 3.7v box mod. So I purchased a 3.7v mod from Foxy Box Mods and got everything else I'd need to use it from Mad Vapes (Ultrafire 14500 batteries, a charger, and a box of Boge 2.0 ohm LR cartos).

The mod seems to be working just fine and the difference in vapor production and thickness compared to my 510 is like night and day, but I am having one major problem. The problem is that every time I vape this mod after 2 or 3 inhales I get juice shooting up the carto, through the cap, and into my mouth. I've tried several different flavors of juice in these cartos from a couple different manufacturers (Liberty Flights and Freedom Smoke USA) and the result is always the same. I take 2 or 3 small gentle puffs and then get a bunch of juice in my mouth.

If I take the cap off the carto after this happens and look inside I notice juice splattered all over the bottom of the carto's cap and clogging up the hole in the cap as well. The tube for air to flow through inside the carto also ends up filled up with juice and I have to take the carto off and blow it out if I want to continue vaping, only to have the carto's tube fill with juice again after a couple puffs.


So I've tried different flavors and brands of juice, several different Boge 2.0 cartos, many different carto filling methods (and always make sure the tube inside is completely clear of juice before vaping), and I'm still getting juice in the mouth after a couple puffs each time I try to vape with these LR cartos. So at this point the only thing I can think is that it must be a problem with using 100% PG juice in an LR carto. I can only speculate that this juice, being almost water thin, has a much lower boiling point than juice with VG in it so it's literally boiling over inside the carto when hit with a 3.7v current. I've been vaping this same juice in my Joye 510 with standard resistance atomizers and cartomizers for a while and never had any problem with it, but for some unknown reason I'm getting a mouthful of juice every time I try vaping it with LR cartos on my box mod.


So what I'd like to know is has anyone else here ever vaped 100% PG in a Boge 2.0 ohm carto @ 3.7v? If so, did you have any problems with juice shooting up the carto into your mouth?
I'd really like to continue trying vaping with a big battery mod, since it seems much more satisfying than the Joye 510 I've been used to, but this constant "juice in the mouth" problem is just way too much to put up with for an otherwise better vape.
Any advice on this matter would be greatly appreciated!

 

[doots]

Hey Jin, I always use a drip tip. Take off the little white cap off the carto and replace with a drip tip.
I also after filling any carto give a good blow through it to get excess juice out of it and problem solved. Blow through after it is filled and have a paper towel on the battery connection part to catch the excess..

 

[Jin]

Thanks doots!
Unfortunately I've already tried both of the things you suggested. Using a drip tip on top of the carto just results in more juice getting in my mouth at a faster rate, and I always blow out my cartos after I fill them. I tend to fill them, blow them out once onto a paper towel, let them sit anywhere from 10 minutes to an hour, and then blow them out again and hold them up to a light to make sure they're good and clear before installing them. This works fine when I use standard resistance cartos on my Joye 510, but when I use 2.0 ohm cartos on my 3.7v mod they still end up shooting juice up into my mouth after 2 or 3 gentle (and I mean very gentle) vapes.

So at this point I think it's pretty safe to say that my filling techniques are not likely to be the problem here.

 

[dormouse]

I am thinking the problem is with the way you are filling them and/or not cleaning them up after filling and/or not letting them settle after filling.

Let's hear your filling and cleanup procedure - oh I see you posted it


So you are not pushing the juice in with a carto condom, not spinning to force extra juice in - right?

I fill with about 18 drops. I don't try to get 24 or 28 drops into a carto. I only put more than 18 if it is still soaking in easily.

And which way do you blow them out?

I blow into the threaded end hard with the open end down into a tissue. Then with the carto still upside down, I poke a bit of soft bunched up tissue in the opening to sop up any extra juice up there. And I want to see light through the carto.

I do find heat will sometimes free more juice from the carto and if that happens I clean it up again. And if you do that remember to press the inside of the white cap against a tissue - there may be juice on it. I usually use a drip tip - just makes it easier to clean up.

I also find sometimes the collar of the Riva battery almost creates a bit of suction to suck juice out the threaded end at the sudden end of a drag (if I am vaping harder then air can get in). So at the end of my drag I let up the manual button while finishing the tail end of my drag a bit softer and that seems to help prevent that.

Does any of that help? I am using pretty thin juice - Vapor4Life WOW Juice. If it has any VG at all I think it would be no more than 10% - very thin

 

[Higbe33]

I have the same box mod you do and it works wonderful. I also have the 5v version and love it also. No experiance with 100% PG, however what doots says ought to work for you. That is what I was going to say. Blow it out real good, use a drip tip and don't draw very hard. I sure a 100% PG guy will jump in and give more help.

Have you tried a mixture and still an alergic reaction?

Hig

 

[swedishfish]

Maybe the juice is too thin? You could try nhalers juice. It's PG but it's thick. I get the nhaler/xhale juice but his high voltage is even thicker. In fact I find the high voltage too thick for me but I don't have a mod. I've tried LF & FSUSA and it's definitely thicker than their juice. I don't know if this would resolve your problem, but if it's a juice issue it might help.

http://shop.nhaler.com/30mL-HIGH-VOLTAGE-Liquid-12mg-HV-30ML.htm

I think samplers are $4.00

 

[Jin]

I did talk about my carto filling techniques a little bit in my last post, but here's the full run down of my usual carto filling procedure...

Step 1 : Take the large carto condom and fill it up about 3/4 of the way with juice.

Step 2 : Insert the metal connector end of the carto into the condom and very slowly and gently push it down into the juice, making sure to never let the juice inside the tube rise above the top of the tube.

Step 3 : Continue applying slow gentle downward pressure on the carto until you see the fiberfill at the top of the carto become completely saturated with juice from below, still making sure to never let the juice inside the carto's tube rise above the top of the tube (so all juice saturation comes from the juice seeping up from underneath).

Step 4 : Remove the condom, put the rubber mouthpiece cap back on top of the carto, and blow the carto out a couple times onto a paper towel (blowing from the mouthpiece end, so excess juice comes out the connector at the base).

Step 5 : Clean the juice off the outside of the carto with a tissue and stand the carto upright on a paper towel for half an hour to an hour to let any excess juice drain out.

Step 6 : Blow the carto out one more time onto a paper towel then remove the rubber mouthpiece cap, hold the carto up to a light source, and look through it to make sure the tube running through the carto is clear and contains no juice.

Step 7 : Install carto on the device of choice and enjoy vaping.



This procedure has always worked just fine when using standard resistance 3.0 - 3.2 ohm Boge cartos on my manual battery Joye 510 and has never resulted in me getting juice in the mouth or juice splashing up into the rubber mouthpiece on the carto, but when I use this same technique with a LR 2.0 ohm Boge carto on my 3.7v mod box I still get a lot of juice shooting up into my mouth after 2 or 3 of even the most gentle vapes. This is what is leading me to believe that the problem is likely not with my filling technique but rather the interaction between the extremely thin 100% PG juice that I vape and the higher voltage of a 3.7 mod coupled with a LR carto.

Worth noting is that I have also tried other fililng techniques with my LR cartos, including slowly dripping into them from the top rather than using the condom filling method, and the result is still the same. So I'm thinking that my filling and cleaning techniques are probably not the culprit here.


Edit : Also, thanks to everyone for all the replies! And Swedishfish, I'll be sure to give the Nhaler juice a try at some point when I've got some cash to in a week or so when I get my next paycheck. If it's 100% PG yet still rather thick and designed for higher voltage vaping it would be interesting to see if that clears up my problem if it's not solved by some other means. I have really wondered about the possibility of my 100% PG juice just being too thin to vape properly in a higher voltage device coupled with an LR carto.

 

[dormouse]

So I think you are filling them with more juice than me.

I do not use the condom method.

Like you are doing the equivalent of submerging a sponge in a bucket of water, and I am dripping on the sponge a fixed amount and only more if it is still absorbing quickly. (note - I hold a tissue against the bottom hole and make it take the 18 drops. Anything extra is based on what it appears ready to absorb)

 

[Parmacrafter]

I use the Boge 2.0 most of the time on a 3.7v mod. I have only had the problem you have when I overfill them. I did have that problem a lot in the beginning. I started using a syringe to fill all of my cartos. I find the condom method seriously lacking. Using a syringe you can get 1.2mils of juice into those cartos most every time. In your case with the super thin juice I would put only 1 mil in. I just push the syringe needle in between the edge of the filler and the carto wall. I generally put about 1/3 in at a time and work my way around for even filling. You might also find that if you take a slow gentle drag instead of taking a few short ones that pesky juice in mouth problem will ease up. With thin juice too many drags in a row no matter how short will suck the juice right into the center tube.

Also: If you fill with a syringe keep the bottom condom on the carto until you are done filling. With thin juice if you don't it will just run out the bottom while you fill.

 

[markfm]

I would try bumping to a 2.4 - 2.8 ohm carto, knock the power down a bit.

 

[NicLiq]

Jin, PM me your address and I'll send you an aluminum whistle tip for a 510 carto. It might help until you can get some thicker 100% PG (like swedishfish wrote about). I think the juice gets hotter with the LR carto due to it being thinner than other blends. The whistle tip will catch some of the volcanic eruptions (hopefully).

 

[NicLiq]

I read this in another post.. poke a (large) hole in the end of a carto condom and put it over your drip tip. It should stop the sputtering juice. You can cut off the end so it's still easy to pull the drip tip on and off the carto.

I've looked for the thread to link, but I can't find it now.

Hopefully the whistle tip might help too.

 

[Diablo]

I use the Boge 2.0 most of the time on a 3.7v mod. I have only had the problem you have when I overfill them. I did have that problem a lot in the beginning. I started using a syringe to fill all of my cartos. I find the condom method seriously lacking. Using a syringe you can get 1.2mils of juice into those cartos most every time. In your case with the super thin juice I would put only 1 mil in. I just push the syringe needle in between the edge of the filler and the carto wall. I generally put about 1/3 in at a time and work my way around for even filling. You might also find that if you take a slow gentle drag instead of taking a few short ones that pesky juice in mouth problem will ease up. With thin juice too many drags in a row no matter how short will suck the juice right into the center tube.

Also: If you fill with a syringe keep the bottom condom on the carto until you are done filling. With thin juice if you don't it will just run out the bottom while you fill.

Totally agree, that's exactly how I do it and never had any problems. I have some LR boges filled with Dekang Ry4 that's about as thin as you can get and don't have any issues. I use them on a Reo Grand, and sometimes I overfill them when I top them off from the squeeze bottle, and get some coming out the top and have to blow them out. It will also happen when when the carto is just about dead and the drag gets to tight on it.(not from the tube being clogged)