18650 last forever?

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edyle

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Yeah I know but my collection is getting large enough and maybe I should stop collecting bits and bobs in case the 18650 becomes obsolete and my mods are useless. But I like getting rda's and mods.

There's no particular reason for the 18650 battery size to become obsolete.
 

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The batteries we used are popular with flashlights as well.

It is also widely used in the cordless tool market, those big battery packs are stacked 18650's.
And thats just scratching the surface.

Even the tesla electric car uses 18650 size cells.

By the time a new battery design comes to dominate the market you will have long moved on from the gear we have now.
 

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They have up 10yr shelf life, from date of manufacturing, not bought.

Life span recommended is no more than 500 cycles.

If you use a battery, it should be replaced every 12 months or 500 cycles, which ever comes first.

I know throwing out a battery that works sounds crazy but think of how you use it, especially sub ohming. There's a lot of stress in use and charging.

Not telling you what to do but just some info.
 

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Cheers yeah, k. My batteries are all marked with the month and year that I began using them. I go through many a day though and different amounts. How would I know when 500 cycles are up? If my dmm still shows decent volts and they can hold a charge they will be fine I take it?
 

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    As long as you top off the charge every few months or so you can store them for years. But, they continue to age as they sit there, losing capacity and increasing their internal resistance. After a couple of years they'll have noticably lower performance.

    Better to use them as you buy them. They'll be around for a very long time. :)
     
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    They have up 10yr shelf life, from date of manufacturing, not bought.

    Life span recommended is no more than 500 cycles.

    If you use a battery, it should be replaced every 12 months or 500 cycles, which ever comes first.

    I know throwing out a battery that works sounds crazy but think of how you use it, especially sub ohming. There's a lot of stress in use and charging.

    Not telling you what to do but just some info.

    THIS! ^^^
     

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    Cheers yeah, k. My batteries are all marked with the month and year that I began using them. I go through many a day though and different amounts. How would I know when 500 cycles are up? If my dmm still shows decent volts and they can hold a charge they will be fine I take it?


    Every time I put one on the charger is 1 cycle, drained and filled = cycle. So if you recharge a battery once a day, that's 365 cycles a year.

    That's how I figure how many batteries I need on hand. I sold my dual battery mods so I have 3 batteries right now. I usually go through 3 a day, so I haven't bought anymore. The ones I have are up in December, so I'll probably buy 5 for the next year.

    Basically I try to have enough batteries to where I only charge any one of them once a day or every other day, if I have enough to rotate.
     

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    If you use a battery, it should be replaced every 12 months or 500 cycles, which ever comes first.

    I know throwing out a battery that works sounds crazy but think of how you use it, especially sub ohming. There's a lot of stress in use and charging.

    Suggesting to replace a battery after 12 months of use because it's been in use for 12 months is simply not correct papergoblin.

    It's all about how many charge/discharge cycles it's seen, how it was charged and how it was discharged. Treat Li-ion batteries properly to maximize life and they can be good for years. Do it wrong and they are toast after a few cycles which can be done in a couple of days or less.
     

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    Suggesting to replace a battery after 12 months of use because it's been in use for 12 months is simply not correct papergoblin.

    It's all about how many charge/discharge cycles it's seen, how it was charged and how it was discharged. Treat Li-ion batteries properly to maximize life and they can be good for years. Do it wrong and they are toast after a few cycles which can be done in a couple of days or less.


    That's why I also stated a battery used everyday. That's 365 cycles, now on a regulated mod it may go past a year but on a mech and sub ohm, it'll be showing its age.

    Even used and charged correctly, a battery being charged on a daily basis for a year is a lot of stress. Then figure in how old it may actually have been before it was used.

    I'm also not saying continued use will cause a problem, it could but the biggest thing will be performance. The ones I am using now I can tell their age. They don't last quite as long as they used to. People can do what they want, but I'll spend for new batts once a year.
     

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    That's why I also stated a battery used everyday. That's 365 cycles, now on a regulated mod it may go past a year but on a mech and sub ohm, it'll be showing its age.

    I hear ya papergoblin, but using a battery every day is different from charging it every day :)

    I'm vaping three mods right now, one dual battery mod and two single batt mech mods. I also have more than one set of batteries for two of the three mods. Some of these batteries will only be charged every 4-5 days, some every 2-3 days. I also have some batteries I use only a few times a year which spend most of their time in cold storage. Time in use does not equate to charge cycles.

    People can do what they want, but I'll spend for new batts once a year.

    In your case which is charging each battery daily you're certainly doing it right.

    But the issue is much more dependent on charge cycles and how you use them, not time in use :)
     
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