24 GA Kanth singe coils Mad Clouds. but inconsistent. help?

[Peterdante]

Battery: Sony 30 amp (very good battery)
Mod: Nzonic
RBA:trident

so... ive been playing around with 24 gauge wire and 3mm wick
tried:
1. micro coil (using drillbits), 4 coils (on outside) (3 on inside) pulling one folded wick through pretty snug.
2. hand wrapping 4 coils around 4 strings of wicks.

my builds naturally have been reading at 2-3 ohms right off the bat.

and the consistency of my builds are all over.. when i try to do it all exactly the same.


Verdict: the coils always heat up good, and juice goes flying off the coils like fireworks.
if its just one of those lucky coils ill get huge clouds with amazing flavor... (what i really want)

BUT
1. so no matter what ill get ok vapor at the least... but just not always crazy clouds.
AND
2. sometimes ill get good flavor and sometimes i get no flavor

what i know
1. lower ohms, less resistence = more current

so what i want to do is know how to perfect it and keep it consistent.

1. more coils, more length = ?
2. can you make a higher resistance coil perform and heat up just as good? (eveness and speed)?
3. spacing out the coils vs. having them really close or even touching?
3. how do you up the resistance? move farther from post? bigger diameter on coils? more coils?

so in the end all these questions dont have to be specifically answered, im just trying to give the people who are attempting to help a feel of my curiousity so they can provide good help

Thanks you all who have taken the time to read this!

 

[bfrie]

DId you mean to say 24 gauge? Or did you mean 34?

 

[Peterdante]

24 gauge is correct

 

[Peterdante]

is there no one?

 

[gjshaw29]

What resistance are you aiming for? As for the higher ohm coil working just as well, I figured that was what a micro coil did. For more resistance I'd use a heavier gauge. I would say maybe 30 or 32. When I recoil using 1.5mm silica and 28 gauge kanthal all my builds come out to about .7 or .8 ohms.

 

[RelativeBewt]

any length you add to the coil will add to the resistance, so wider coils or more wraps will increase the resistance. as for consistency, thatll come with just doing it a bunch lol.

higher resistance coils can perform just as good as lower ohm coils. i have a 1.3 ohm coil in one of my rdas that rocks out the vapor with great flavor and th, performs just as good or better than a .5 dual coil build i have in another rda with the same juice.

 

[Ryedan]

Battery: Sony 30 amp (very good battery)
Mod: Nzonic
RBA:trident

so... ive been playing around with 24 gauge wire and 3mm wick
tried:
1. micro coil (using drillbits), 4 coils (on outside) (3 on inside) pulling one folded wick through pretty snug.
2. hand wrapping 4 coils around 4 strings of wicks.

my builds naturally have been reading at 2-3 ohms right off the bat.

and the consistency of my builds are all over.. when i try to do it all exactly the same.

Very interesting Peterdante. I only make single coil builds on AGA-T's and IGO's so I'm way out of my depth here. I also think you would get better response posting in the RBA forum here.

I am not sure what you are saying. I think you are making 3 or 4 coils per setup using 24 gauge wire getting at least 2 ohms total. So, each of the coils in a 4 coil build needs to be at least 8 ohms. Doesn't make sense to me with that wire, but then again I did say I was not into these builds

A couple of pictures would be great. I'm curious what you are actually making. Best of luck with it!

 

[Peterdante]

Very interesting Peterdante. I only make single coil builds on AGA-T's and IGO's so I'm way out of my depth here. I also think you would get better response posting in the RBA forum here.

I am not sure what you are saying. I think you are making 3 or 4 coils per setup using 24 gauge wire getting at least 2 ohms total. So, each of the coils in a 4 coil build needs to be at least 8 ohms. Doesn't make sense to me with that wire, but then again I did say I was not into these builds

A couple of pictures would be great. I'm curious what you are actually making. Best of luck with it!

wait i am only making single coils too lol!

 

[Peterdante]

when im happy with my 24g single coil. i blow way more clouds than most dual coils i see lol!

for me when i build it seems that when i get into .4 ohms and higher. there is a delay before the coil heats up which is irratating lol!

 

[Peterdante]

also thanks guys for the awesome feedback.

@relativebewt so how do you make the higher resistance coil (lets say .4 or .5 ohm) work as good as a .2 ohm?

 

[Ryedan]

wait i am only making single coils too lol!

I understand. You are using a single coil setup wrapped 3 1/2 turns, mostly called a 3/4 wrap. The problem still is that with 24 gauge wire and 3mm wick this will get you well under 1.0 ohms and you said 2 - 3 ohms.

what i know
1. lower ohms, less resistence = more current

Correct. And more current = more power to heat the juice which usually means more vapor which usually means more flavor and TH. Of course there are a few more variables in this. Like air hole size and location relative to the coil, wicking material and wick design. The Trident has that awesome air hole design that could however introduce variability if not handled accurately. I would really watch that one.

so what i want to do is know how to perfect it and keep it consistent.

If you are having consistency issues, you are doing something inconsistently. It is that simple. I mean if you do things exactly the same, the results will be the same. But sometimes seeing what changes can be hard.



1. more coils, more length = ?
Higher resistance.

2. can you make a higher resistance coil perform and heat up just as good? (eveness and speed)?
Not exactly, but you can almost do it if you keep the power the same, not possible with a mechanical device like yours. Requires VV or VW.

3. spacing out the coils vs. having them really close or even touching?
Makes a difference, but I don't know enough about it to talk intelligently about it.

3. how do you up the resistance? move farther from post? bigger diameter on coils? more coils?[/QUOTE]
As in #1, more length. Also higher gauge wire = higher resistance per inch. Do not move farther from the post as this introduces wasted battery discharge (heat).

 

[TheSystemHasFailed]

Your problem is that you are making a "micro coil" with 24 gauge...

There is nothing micro about 24 gauge.
Maybe try a higher gauge, or just go sub ohm.

 

[Vapeaddikt]

If you are having consistency issues, you are doing something inconsistently. It is that simple. I mean if you do things exactly the same, the results will be the same. But sometimes seeing what changes can be hard.

Said it perfectly.

 

[Peterdante]

as for inconsistency, the only thing that i can think of is when i drop it in tighten the screws, and slightly adjust where the coil is touching post or the base.

 

[Peterdante]

an example of an inconsistency would be like today, i built a coil at .2 and it was popping off juice like crazy. but this one for some reason didnt produce the ussual clouds i get.

 

[Cr0tchF4i]

Your problem is that you are making a "micro coil" with 24 gauge...

There is nothing micro about 24 gauge.
Maybe try a higher gauge, or just go sub ohm.

Wrong. Micro refers do the I.D. and touching.