24 hours with P3

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KY.Hick

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Well 24 hours with this P3, and I wanted to share my thoughts with this device so far. I will go ahead and declare myself a Provari fan boy, and I have been so since the 2 V1’s that I currently own. One V1 I have, has had the snot beat out off it, and If you care to see the abuse I have put this thing through look on Provari’s website. There is a review I did on ECF that they asked if they could put on there website years ago, and I gladly said yes. The review is under the name KY.Hick. The abuse I described in my review was years ago, and has still been going on. So I guess it’s time for the dirty work, and please forgive my spelling, and grammar cause I have had a few beer’s this Friday night!


Build: The quality is what any Provape owner already knows. Very nice high quality. (ain’t broke don’t fix it)


Top Cap: Is what we ALL have been asking for a flat top. The positive post has some spring to it, and if the device you screw on top of it does not sit totally flush you can twist the outer ring up a tad and give the 510 some support in the case of a accidental knock over. I would hate to count how many carto’s I have snapped off over the years. I totally love the inside thread pattern that will lend itself to future devices that can screw on and leave the whole 510 small diameter weakness in the history page’s. I would love to see some kind of standard for this that will be made by everybody in the industry. Mr.Morgan from Zenesis with his introduction of the Z2 thread pattern has had probably the best idea in a long time. I really wish Provape (and the industry) would have used the same thread pattern also. We need some kind of standard, I would hate to go way back to the the day’s of all the 01’s and 510 connections.


Button: It’s the button we all know and love! If ain’t broke don’t fix it. (more on the button when menu come’s up)


Extra ring’s: THANK YOU! Provape for including them, it is very nice to be able to purchase one PV and be able to choose between all 3 battery sizes and not have to buy a mini model, or a extra ring to make the reg model longer. Two thumbs up on that one!!


So let me crack open another beer and get down to the nitty gritty! BRB


I have converted a lot of people to e-cig’s over the years, and 14 of them have gone Provari. Only one of them went straight to it, because of price. I can totally understand that, hell I think we all can. I did all of this when I did electric work, and not part time in a e-cig shop. A lot of these guy’s would see me puffing on a ecig and ask a lot of ?’s. The nature of the work does not do well with wimpy devices, and the 13 people that did not go provari learned there lesson the hard way, and the 1 guy did not. Hard work needs a PV that will take a beating, and Provari’s can take it. Ok ok I am rambling.


Menu: I am really really on the fence with this! The one thing I loved the most with a Provari is you could put it in anybody’s hand and within a small amount of time anybody could figure out a APV. Now we have a menu with a lot more features. I am ex-army, and sometimes simple is better for the masses. Is the menu hard to learn NO! Is there more to learn YES! Now this is where I am gunna get slammed by viewers on ECF!! We all love the one button function of a Provari, but now I am wondering if the menu would be better suited to a extra button or two. There is a lot of stuff to set now, and there are a lot of people in the world that avoid buying a new tv, or phone because they don’t want to have learn how to work it. Is the menu hard to work, NOT REALLY, would I put it in the hands of a non-tech loving person, I am just not sure yet. Provari in MY mind has always had MY respect as a company that can put a APV in anybody’s hand, and it work. Almost everybody that’s going to read this might say I am wrong, but I have to say we have a lot of 50+ year olds coming into my shop daily. Is this going to be to much to give them? I really hope Provape keep’s the V2.5 on the market for this case.


Screen: It’s kinda small for everything going on. If you enlarge it a tiny bit without enlarging the unit as a whole I think that would be nice. Resolution, well let me say this, I have always had 20/20 vision. The last couple of years have I have noticed that when I rebuild a RTA or rda or anything else with small parts I need me some reading glasses. Can I read the screen HELL YES!!!! It’s not that BAD, but if you have real glasses you might need to wear them.


Functions: Most of these don’t need to be explained, they are what they are. Color, brightness, etc…


Boost mode: I am a kayfun fan seem’s to help for short drag’s.


So what do I like the most with the new model? Flat top, and boost mode for short drag’s, I am not a short drag guy, but for a quicky it seem’s to help. THE FLAT TOP AND MORE POWER IS WHAT A LOT OF US HAVE WANTED FOR ALONG TIME!!!! THANK YOU!!!!! Being able to change button colors is deff going to appeal to some people. Being able to save settings for certain things will deff appeal to some people. To ME the most important thing is I have a APV that can handle the new stuff on the market, that can give me the POWER, and can do this in a SAFE MANNER!!!


When I first saw the the spec’s on the P3 I was kinda disappointed with the 20w limit,and I still would like to see it up 30w for dripping .But hey that’s there call as being safe. Now that I have been working in this market for a while I gotta say where do we draw a line. I see all this new stuff coming out and I just gotta shake my head. We as vapers need to take a stand, and manufacturers like Provape need to stand there ground and keep making this safe. I talk to all these new people that want these crazy builds, I try to talk to them as a re-tired electrician and they look at me like I am stupid, and I just don’t get it. I might be old, and remember when a ego batt was OMG, and remember when a 1.5 ohm carto was OMG low. I will say this once again like my review on your website Provape SALUTE WHAT YOU DO PROVAPE you made another quality device. I did have a knock or two at it, but hey what would a honest review be if not. VERY HAPPY WITH MY PURCHASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Thank you for a honest and personal review of the new Provari P3.

I can't say for certain, but I believe the cutoff at 20 watts has to do with battery selection. Despite its limitations, there's a lot of Provari owners who like to use an AW 18350 IMR in their Mini Provari to keep the length manageable for out-and-about and pocket use. I know for a fact that I do.

This battery has but a 6 amp continuous limit. From what I've seen, the 30-50 watt devices require at minimum 12 amps continuous, which would rule out the 18350 battery. Maybe this is Provape taking into consideration function & safety for continued use of an 18350 battery in the P3. But its more complicated than that:

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Question for the Tech Engineers at Provape

Baditude said:
Referring to this thread Technical - Why High Drain Batteries? , the tech engineers state that the Provari needs a high drain battery which can supply up to 9 amps of power. The recommended AW 18650 IMR 2000 mAh battery has a 10 amp continuous discharge rate limit, so it passes this requirement. I've read conflicting information on the amp limit of the AW 18490 IMR 1100 mAh battery; some sources specify 16.8 amps, others say 8.4 amps - which is correct?

The recommended battery for the Mini Provari is the AW 18350 IMR 700 mAh battery. It only has a 6 amp continuous discharge rate. How is the Mini Provari able to achieve optimal performance with this limitation of amps? Am I missing something?
PROVAPE said:
"The cell ratings are based on a continuous discharge. The application is intermittent duty, by its nature not continuous, so a cell can be intermittently be pushed somewhat harder than its continuous rating in this type of application. The Provari when supplying its maximum output power (14.5 Watts) will need to draw a maximum average current from the cell of 5.2 amps. While it is true that the pulse current can be as high as 9 amps, the duration of these pulse currents is less than 10 microseconds and is not as important as the total average current drawn.

The 5.2 amps is when the cell is at end of charge and the output is adjusted to maximum power out, so it is an absolute worst case situation.

This situation is important because any manufacturer of a high quality device needs to account for the worst case conditions his product will be exposed to in its application.

When compared to the 6 amp continuous rating of the AW18350 cell it passes with some acceptable margin. The AW18490 and AW18650 have even better margins."

I'd be very curious to see how well the P3 performs with an 18350 battery.
 
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I like your review KY. I got to check one out and I completely concur with your feelings about the screen, I am over the 50 mark myself, well, stupid me did not bring my reading glasses to the B&M, and I could not understand the symbols on the menu. I know if I had some time with it, and had a chance to read the manual ( and was wearing my specs) it would probably be easy as pie. Thanks for posting your impressions.
 

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One feature I was wanting to check out was the heat cut off being that I am a very outdoors kinda person, and Kentucky can get quite hot this time of year. So I wanted to really punish it so I had a 1ohm coil on my KF, and cranked her up to 16w. By 12:30 in the afternoon it was really easy to have the heat protection kick in (490). The batt tube was warm, and the KF was getting hot also. Now granted my AW 490's (10amp) are quite old and that prolly made it easier to make them hot, and I was chain vaping hard on purpose. Ran inside grabbed a sony vtc4 18650(30amp) put it in the P3, and put the pv in my pocket gave it 3 hours to heat up to out side temp. Started chain vaping again, the tube never got hot at all, but the KF was very hot to the touch, with no cut off. So I wonder how the AW 18350 at 8amp will preform when temps are high. I have always preferred the Provari in 18490 mode over 650, but would like to have some 350's for a small package while running errands. Guess when I am out working on my farm, or working outside I will stick to my vtc4's (during summer). Will also get some new AW 490's to see if age is a factor also.

ENAUD working the menu is getting alot easier to use now that I have had some time to work it. But I know that if people wear glasses you deff better have them when making changes
 
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The P3 did fine with my 350 batteries.

I will do a test with them and get back to you on how long they last.



Maybe I'm stating the obvious, but the availability of 18350 mode is the most likely reason for limiting the p3 to 5 amps/20 watts.

Seems to me though, with it's nifty "IQ" feature that it should be able to determine that the battery installed does not have the discharge capability for higher current/wattage settings, and therefore limit the output.

These kinds of issues/ideas is why I think I'm going to pass on my chance to purchase a beta. It's in beta for a reason, and I can't help but wonder what changes will be made for the final release.
 

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The 18350 lasted 2 hours
The batteries were purchased back in May of this year when I bought my first Provari mini.
I ran it at 8 watts my kayfun coil was 1.3Ohms

I dont run my Kayfuns high. I dont know how to use the Hot Shot feature.

KY can you explain the Hot Shot feature?

From what I recall from my short time with a P3, you set the boost in the "Set" menu, under "BoosT". "1B"-"5B" The difference (according to Todd's review) is in 0.1 of a second, "1B" being 0.1 seconds, "2B" being 0.2 seconds, etc, etc. How the actual boost voltage is calculated or if it is a set value is a mystery.

I was happy with it on "2B", but in all honesty, I doubt I really noticed a difference on the Kayfun I was vaping. It was 1.5Ω and there really wasn't any delay vaping it at the 12-15 watts that I seemed to enjoy on the P3.
 

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The boost feature gives a boost of power when you hit the button for a certain amount of time then drops down to what it was set at. Kinda helps heat it up faster. How much more power I have no clue, but I can say It seems to help on my KF. setting 1 is .25 secs long, 2 is .5, 3 is .75, 4 is 1, 5 is 1.25. I like really really long drags, but with short drags I noticed a lot more. Seems like a nice feature.
 

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From what I recall from my short time with a P3, you set the boost in the "Set" menu, under "BoosT". "1B"-"5B" The difference (according to Todd's review) is in 0.1 of a second, "1B" being 0.1 seconds, "2B" being 0.2 seconds, etc, etc. How the actual boost voltage is calculated or if it is a set value is a mystery.

I was happy with it on "2B", but in all honesty, I doubt I really noticed a difference on the Kayfun I was vaping. It was 1.5Ω and there really wasn't any delay vaping it at the 12-15 watts that I seemed to enjoy on the P3.

Thanks I went right to it and it worked!
Very cool!
 

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Does anyone know if the Zen atty pro will fit on the P3?

Probably not, as it is designed to fit around the beveled top cap of the original V1/2/2.5 ProVari.

It MIGHT work if you leave the outer ring of the top cap off the P3, leaving only the P3 Threaded 510 connection on, but we would need someone to confirm that.

I would have to say, for now, probably not...
 

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Nice thread and great review OP. I have questions with respect to the P3 Beta:

Can you "lock" it? When I say "lock" I mean that no settings can be changed via the Menu and the device still fires. When placed in "lock" mode if available, does the device present "visual cues" when first placed into lock and then "visual cues" if you try and enter the Menu after the device is in "lock" Mode? Finally, if you power off the device or switch bats, does the device remain in "lock' mode?

Thanks in advance

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OP said "...We all love the one button function of a Provari, but now I am wondering if the menu would be better suited to a extra button or two...."

First of all I own three Varies. I spent a significant portion of my geek life involved in UI/design. Having said this, this is only my opinion :) I love all the Menu features in the P3 but you reach a point in the UI aspect of the device where your compromising "usability" because you only have a single button to invoke all the menu features. Think new users who have never owned a ProVari. I will be fine with the P3 but IMHO, it's time to think seriously about a three button Version 4 and I'm very confident that ProVape would do a great job while still maintain the basic "tube".
 
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Senior you made me have to break the manual back out lol. No lock out feature that I can see. It's pretty much like the old ones, click it real fast to enter the menu. When you replace the batt it stays at the setting you had it set at. The menu has become a lot easier now with some time, but I am with you maybe time to add some buttons.

I have really grown to like the boost feature, and being able to save preset settings for diff devices is a nice feature also.

All in all, very happy with my purchase.
 
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