3.7v units, A major difference in throat hit/vapor?

[Pete737]

Just out of curiosity guys, I have a smoov system I am using right now and the throat hit is pretty good. It also makes tons of vapor.

I am going to order a kgo but before I do, I was wondering what the difference will be in performance? They are both 3.7v systems. How does that work?

Thanks so much! Pete

 

[Pete737]

FYI, If voltage is a really big factor I am also considering a Lavatube.

 

[theWayISshut]

As long as you use LR cartos, 3.7V devices are just fine. Some use 1.7ohm and lower, but they tend to break the switch, ie, devices such as E-Powers, etc.. 2.0 ohm are on the safe side. My opinion.

 

[tj99959]

The length of time that you have that voltage is the difference.
3.7v is 3.7v, but mAh does make a difference. As a round figure you will get about one hour out of each 100mAh. So the Kgo 1000mAh bat is worth about 10 hours of use before needing to be charged. It can also effect the bats ability to produce that 3.7v under load.

Your Smoov is a KR 808-D1 which is rebranded by any number of different entities.

 

[Pete737]

Thanks for the info. Let me ask this. Will the kgo with a boys LR cargo. Perform better than my smoov?

I know the battery situation will be much better. I'm just interestedd in performance. At that price withfree shipping. Seems too good to pass up..

Thanks! Pete

 

[yzer]

The latest switch for the 3.7V E-Power 14650 works fine. This switch has a blue LED button, 5-click safety and handles 1.7 ohm LR single coil. A previous switch, also with blue LED handles 1.7 ohm LR as well.

The white LED button switch was the pits. The E-Power 14650 was equipped with this switch for a few weeks late in 2011. It was designed to fire only 2.0 ohm LR and higher. The electronics prevented operation with 1.7 ohm cartos.

To the best of my knowledge none of the E-Power 14650 switches failed because they were used with 1.7 ohm cartos. The switches were designed either to use these LR cartos or not.

I have used both versions of the E-Power 14650 blue LED switches with 1.7 ohm. They work great. I use 2.0 ohm LR single coil most of the time because I prefer the cooler hit.

I have also run 1.5 ohm dual coil with E-Power 14650. Works fine but I found the vapor too cool at 3.7V and the battery life between charges too short.

 

[hairball]

As for the lavatube, add a little cash if you can and get a decent VV model like the BuzzPro. IMO, the LT is a terrible device. It won't hold it's voltage for the type of hardware you put on it.

The KGO meter higher in voltage than other batteries. Something like 4V under load for standard resistance. If you compare it to an eGo, the KGO will kick it in the britches. Nicer vapor, flavor, TH...and warmer vapor.

 

[yzer]

One advantage for the E-Power 14650 is the battery. This is a cylindrical protected 14650 Li-ion battery, 1050 mAh. Most dealers sell the Smoktech protected 14650 battery with this PV for $5-6 apiece. It's a good battery, I've had no issues with these.

I've also purchased Trustfire Blue protected 14650s that have an exaggerated capacity rating of 1600 mAh. I suspect the real capacity is closer to 1050 mAh. I can get these batteries from the far east at about $7 per pair. I have no problem with these batteries. I suspect there are less problems with counterfeit 14650s because this size battery is not as commonly used as many other Li-ion battery sizes.

The rule of thumb is that you will get about one hour of vaping time for every 100mAh of battery capacity. So, a protected 14650 is good for about 10.5 hours of vaping. That's about right. I go considerably longer between recharges when using 2.0 ohm LR single coil as compared to 1.7 ohm LR. That because the 1.7 ohm LR runs about two watts hotter than 2.0 ohm LR at 3.7V.

 

[theWayISshut]

14650 batts are generally better than other types of 3.7V batteries. Even the generic ones that came with my E-Power kit (from hoosierecig.com) perform well and the battery life is very decent. They're most likely equivalent to KGO's, Egos with high mah ratings, etc. My opinion.

 

[JD1]

FYI, If voltage is a really big factor I am also considering a Lavatube.

There's also a joye mod coming on the market that's not vv as such but has three different voltage settings. It looks like it should be a good value, so you might want to check it out.

My last purchase was a bolt from vapor beast. I'm very happy with it, but I'm in the group that prefers relatively cooler vaper with good flavor. I started with the 510 and developed a very long drag that allow plenty of wicking time, but if I'm running a lot of watts the vapor will change flavor to much to suit me. I use an ego, an e-power and now the bolt with 2.4 ohm attys for dripping and the 2.6 ohm stardust

A lot just depends on your style of vaping and what you like, but if you're "almost" there with what you have, then a big battery like the kgo or a mod like the bolt should suit you just fine.

 

[Katdavar]

Just spend the money and buy a provari.

 

[wv2win]

FYI, If voltage is a really big factor I am also considering a Lavatube.

As for the lavatube, add a little cash if you can and get a decent VV model like the BuzzPro. IMO, the LT is a terrible device. It won't hold it's voltage for the type of hardware you put on it.

The KGO meter higher in voltage than other batteries. Something like 4V under load for standard resistance. If you compare it to an eGo, the KGO will kick it in the britches. Nicer vapor, flavor, TH...and warmer vapor.

I agree with hairball. I wouldn't want to deal with the lavatubes limitations.

A better battery model such as the Kgo over your smoov is not just that you will get longer battery run times. As batteries discharge, they are not able to provide peak power to the atty so the last half of your batter charge will not be as good, power-wise or vape-wise as the first half. The higher the mAh of the battery, the longer it stays near peak performance. So you have better performance longer.

If I was going to get a budget VV model, I would look at the new EVO. I've never used one, but from what I have read, they can use any atty/carto, including dual coil cartos without a drop in power like the lavatube. It has the three major power settings of 3.7v, 4.5v and 5.0v. I would look into it over the lavatube:

EVO V2 Kit

And if you don't want to go VV but want better TH, then get a good 5 volt model PV.

 

[JD1]

Here is a link on the new joye mod, also a link to vapor beast for the bolt. Also, the evo posted above looks like a nice unit. Good luck and let us know what you decide on.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-joyetech-18650-mod-stormys-vapor-cellar.html
http://www.vaporbeast.com/product_p/sk5.htm

 

[Hottody]

As long as you use LR cartos, 3.7V devices are just fine. Some use 1.7ohm and lower, but they tend to break the switch, ie, devices such as E-Powers, etc.. 2.0 ohm are on the safe side. My opinion.

Good advice, LR cartos help tremendously! As far as throat hit...it seems that the higher the nicotine level in e-juice the more throat hit one experiences! For me, to much throat hit is not enjoyable! The idea for me anyway, is to duplicate the throat hit of anologs!

 

[ragnarok23]

In my opinion the biggest benefit in upgrading to a Kgo from kr808d was the battery life and the greater selection of atomizers, cartomizers, and tanks, so many different choices to suit your own vaping style and taste. Even though there is a substantial increase in vapor with the Kgo I still use the kr batteries, particularaly when I am working on a project where I dont have my hands free for an extended period.