3 months no Tobacco, all BLU

[deach]

To me you really made sailorman and my point. People who vape a Blu to start mostly end up in one of two places: either they go back to smoking and we never hear from them or they do more research and move up to a better model like you did. If Blu is so great, there should be no need to get a better model.

OH, and people cannot have variety? Jeez man I don't get it. I have blu, the box, some 808 stuff.....FWIW I'd never get an ego unless it was the one that isn't 3.3. Does this mean my BLu, the box or the 808's aren't ok?? Hell no. My car is ok too but I like my truck better for work. The car when gas mileage counts. Who are you trying to save here? Why did you even bother to buy the blu when they went from carts to carto's and then for that matter why try the premium?? OH WAIT Most likely you haven't. (if you have I apologize). I've seen you post a lot of good advise here on the forums. This is getting out of hand however. People that read these forums that never join cause they don't want to get poked fun at. Be told their wrong. They cannot ask the important questions due to ridicule. (yes spoken to me directly not something I read somewhere else). I'm glad I had the guts to join this place, I've got thicker skin and don't play follow the leader if I think the leader is wrong, or so biased one cannot find out what they need. At least I can find out some things for them if needed.
Deach

 

[elfstone]

Ha ha! Not an entirely worthless thread after all!

I loved this bit:

As much hate as Blu gets on thse forums, in all honesty if it wasn't for their disposables being in walgreens I probably never would have made the plunge into vaping.

My first vape was a disposable Blu, and I probably wouldn't have gotten here without that. Interesting point to keep in mind. Regardless what I thought of that disposable, it's role was proof of concept for me. It worked, that was the essential part.

Anyway, all I wanted to say was: Sennheiser FTW!

 

[wv2win]

It's only the funds that keep me from doing just that. I'd offer a COMPLETE line of options....from large to small and explain the advantages and disadvantages of each. Offer complete TRUTHFUL information. I'm sure if that was done you'd sell some of every type in there. Individuality is an awesome thing.

If you did it this way, you would not be nearly as succesful as Blu by offering one mini model, lying about how well it works and putting what money you have into marketing. I like your way much better but it obviously is not the new American way.

 

[ambition]

That's right wv2win, that's why I mentioned those brands. They're the ones you'll find on the "review sites" and most likely to be familiar to new vapers.

For me, both back then and right now, the form factor is important and I can honestly say that the kgo like devices are just not as attractive to new "never tried an ecig before" people.

This is why you don't see ego's in gas stations and why there's no vendor in the same league as Blu or v2 that offers a ego style battery.

You know they would do it in a heartbeat if they really believed it would sell well, but we all know sales would be disappointing.

 

[debado520]

I have to thank Blu for getting the ball rolling and getting me off analogs i used it for about a month. but there is not enough flavor selection and yes battery life sucks. but as soon as I got my ego t. well its been 1 week and i haven't even touched my blu pack lol even in restaurants and bars i use my ego t

 

[deach]

If you did it this way, you would not be nearly as succesful as Blu by offering one mini model, lying about how well it works and putting what money you have into marketing. I like your way much better but it obviously is not the new American way.

LOL no, but I could sleep at night. That's part of what's wrong with the "New American Way" I guess.

 

[wv2win]

LOL no, but I could sleep at night. That's part of what's wrong with the "New American Way" I guess.

Well, if you feel that way, then you should be one of the first to steer someone away from any company that does lie and we know who that is. Companies that lie hurt any industry that they are in. It's just one more thing that can be used against the vaping community.

 

[Jammin]

CONGRATS! I agree with those who said now that you found ECF you will probably want to try something with a better batt life than BLU. I started with a Joye 510 and they are very similar. Nice in size, but batt life is terrible, and you will get a MUCH more quality hit off of something with a larger batt. I have been using the ego well over a year with no issues (other than replacing the batts every few months but that would have to be done with BLU as well).

I think the BLU, like the Joye 510, are awesome starter e-cigs because they have enough quality to make someone want to keep up with them, vs some of the really cheap-o's you can get over radio ads, and other ads floating around on the net. Some of those don't even give juice with nic in it, no wonder people throw them out and give up.

I just got tired of constantly recharging the 510 and it gradually loses on performance as the battery continues to grow weaker.

Just my opinion based on my experience. If no one here told me about other batts, I might have eventually quit due to the 510 being so much more hassle with charging it up so frequently, and as it died down getting weaker and weaker.

If someone loves the BLU, they should continue, but if they are finding that performance continues to lessen, and find the batts just don't last, there is no harm in veterans offering them other choices.

 

[wv2win]

That's right wv2win, that's why I mentioned those brands. They're the ones you'll find on the "review sites" and most likely to be familiar to new vapers.

For me, both back then and right now, the form factor is important and I can honestly say that the kgo like devices are just not as attractive to new "never tried an ecig before" people.

This is why you don't see ego's in gas stations and why there's no vendor in the same league as Blu or v2 that offers a ego style battery.

You know they would do it in a heartbeat if they really believed it would sell well, but we all know sales would be disappointing.

I agree with you that the smoker considering switching is automatically going to be drawn to the look-a-likes. It's why education about vaping is so important. And that is something that companies that lie about their products do not do and they hurt the vaping community as a whole because they lie to the public.

I said earlier, I could support a company like Blu if they did not lie and if they offered several better models to go along with their POS model and actually tried to explain the physics of vaping with all of their marketing money. But they could give a rat's azz about their customers or the vaping community. I can't support, even tacitly, a company like that. It's interesting that a company as large as they are have no interest in being part of the largest vaping forum on the internet.

 

[Jammin]

That's right wv2win, that's why I mentioned those brands. They're the ones you'll find on the "review sites" and most likely to be familiar to new vapers.

For me, both back then and right now, the form factor is important and I can honestly say that the kgo like devices are just not as attractive to new "never tried an ecig before" people.

This is why you don't see ego's in gas stations and why there's no vendor in the same league as Blu or v2 that offers a ego style battery.

You know they would do it in a heartbeat if they really believed it would sell well, but we all know sales would be disappointing.

You are SO correct. I bought the Joye when I started as I liked how it looked. That really drew me in. I kept avoiding the ego due to its size, and that it looked some much odder. But now that I have it, I couldn't go back to the Joye as the throat hit is weak, as well as batt life. It does LOOK a lot better though, I can see how it would be much more of an impulse buy in a store.

 

[ambition]

Most of these companies aren't actually lying, it's more like the logic they use with regard to their claims is a bit shaky, and they claims are equally as difficult to disprove as they are to prove based on how they're worded most of the time.

For instance I can get the same number of puffs from a carto as I can from a pack of cigarettes. This is true as long as I don't go into detail about the satisfaction level from those puffs.

That's marketing for you. Take a look at the bodybuilding supplement industry. Every product promises to turn you into a massive ripped hulk of a man and increase this and that by 5000% based on lab tests and studies and other crap, and not one single product is backed by the FDA, yet the industry has never been more profitable.

 

[wv2win]

OH, and people cannot have variety? Jeez man I don't get it. I have blu, the box, some 808 stuff.....FWIW I'd never get an ego unless it was the one that isn't 3.3. Does this mean my BLu, the box or the 808's aren't ok?? Hell no. My car is ok too but I like my truck better for work. The car when gas mileage counts. Who are you trying to save here? Why did you even bother to buy the blu when they went from carts to carto's and then for that matter why try the premium?? OH WAIT Most likely you haven't. (if you have I apologize). I've seen you post a lot of good advise here on the forums. This is getting out of hand however. People that read these forums that never join cause they don't want to get poked fun at. Be told their wrong. They cannot ask the important questions due to ridicule. (yes spoken to me directly not something I read somewhere else). I'm glad I had the guts to join this place, I've got thicker skin and don't play follow the leader if I think the leader is wrong, or so biased one cannot find out what they need. At least I can find out some things for them if needed.
Deach

I have seen enough "shill" starter threads on ECF over the last three years to be wary as to a new persons intentions when they start a thread like this. If I am wrong, I apologize although I did not directly attack the OP personally anywhere in this thread from what I can tell.

I am concerned that with all the new people coming to ECF, they may quickly read a "starter" thread and think, Wow, that must be the one for me. Most new people do not start threads that way. Most of us are here to help people, not push one specific brand of PV's. Most of us provide several different model suggestions from several suppliers.

And there is nothing wrong with having several different models. I have had 15 different ones at various times. I think the Darwin is probably the best model on the market or at least in the top 3-4. But it's not what I recommend to a new person unless they specifically ask about VV models.

But within the mini-model classification, I can't see defending or recommending a brand that is so inferior within that category and from a company that lies to consumers in general. I think by doing so we just perpetuate that type of behavior. I think it also hurts the vaping community. So I probably get a little hot over a company that I have no respect for.

 

[Zer0Kewl]

I agree with you that the smoker considering switching is automatically going to be drawn to the look-a-likes. It's why education about vaping is so important. And that is something that companies that lie about their products do not do and they hurt the vaping community as a whole because they lie to the public.

I said earlier, I could support a company like Blu if they did not lie and if they offered several better models to go along with their POS model and actually tried to explain the physics of vaping with all of their marketing money. But they could give a rat's azz about their customers or the vaping community. I can't support, even tacitly, a company like that. It's interesting that a company as large as they are have no interest in being part of the largest vaping forum on the internet.

I still don't get your point.

Does blu send people to your door to break your kneecaps if you decide to move to a new model and stop using the slims?

Also, I was a pack-a-day smoker and while the blu batteries didn't last me all day I was using about a cart per day, so the 1 cart = 1 pack argument isn't really a "lie"

If blu at some point in the future decides to sell ego type products then great for them, but in the meantime their target market is people looking for an alternative to analogs and they sell the model that that those people are most likely to migrate to.

As I said before, I tried one of the gas station no-name chinese brands about a month before I tried a blu disposable and it was HORRIBLE.

If it weren't for blu I wouldn't have stuck to vaping.

Also, if I had taken someone on another forums advice and started with a volcano slim cig starter kit instead of blu I guarantee I would be back on the analogs at this point.

I'm honestly glad I didn't give away my blu kit before my volcano kit completly crapped the bed.

I've moved forward from those type of kits at this point, but I wouldn't have if I hadn't had a good tasting properly functioning device like blu to pick up at the start.

Also, If I am going to a bar with friends, I am more likely to grab a Blu disposable than I am to bring my ego or provari.

They are just too big and I'd be ...... if I lost/broke it while drinking.

 

[Jammin]

I agree. Just hate for some unsuspecting new person to think that Blu is just a great model from someone who is pushing the product.

This is the type of BS comment on much better model PV's that helps no one. If your main criteria is appearance over performance and want everyone to think you still smoke, then Blu is the way to go. For most vapers, performance is more important than appearance. And most, based on comments on ECF, want to be as far away from using a model that looks like a cigarette. Most are mature enough not to be concerned what others think and know that looking like you still smoke is not a positive image.

What "fact"??? I don't believe that it is a "fact" that better battery models look like a "crack pipe" as you stated. But it is a "fact" that there are easily hundreds of more negative posts on the performance of the Blu in comparison to the few positive posts.

Agreed.
To be honest, I had more friends comment that my 510 looked like a crack pipe than my larger ego. If someone likes the blu, more power to them, but to say the other models look like crackpipes is kind of silly.

I still use my 510 when I do go out since it is a little bit easier, but prefer the ego.

 

[deach]

Well, if you feel that way, then you should be one of the first to steer someone away from any company that does lie and we know who that is. Companies that lie hurt any industry that they are in. It's just one more thing that can be used against the vaping community.

I would have to agree the claims are not accurate. I don't know where these companies figure (any of them) that a carto is equal to a pack of smokes. For the record I tell the truth about the Blu when someone asks. I tell them expect about 30-45 minutes (tops) out of the batt and probably 6 or so cigs out of the carto. Lately I been just sending folks to Wally and getting the Mistic that is WAY cheaper and has WAY more battery life to see if they think they can even try to consider giving up analogs. I agree companies need to tell the truth. The Blu's I have, one was a gift and one I got used off Craigs list. I use the latter more due to the batteries (hole is bigger vapes better, less blinking when trying to draw) I'll use them till they go bad then I'll find another small automatic (or maybe find another craigslist blu) to use when that type of E-cig is appropriate. (see avitar pic).....

I just honestly did start with them and they did keep me analog free and still are. I use my 5V box here and there, and of course I still direct drip on a standard atty on my 510. The Mistics are slowly taking over on the ground when my hands are more freed up.

You are correct about the companies lying. Personally I'm waiting to see what kind of e-cig JC comes up with. Wondering if it will have 510 threads and something bigger or something like the Blu which they make the e-juice for. Time will tell.

 

[elfstone]

Zer0Kewl, I guess the one point is that there is a lot of disinformation out there about vaping. It's really hard for someone to learn about the products available, the real success stories and the way things really work from mainstream information sources. And I guess we feel that companies such as Blu contribute a bit to that because it serves their bottom line. It's true, no point in arguing it's not, c'mon... How ...... off I should get about this, well... that depends.

 

[wv2win]

I would have to agree the claims are not accurate. I don't know where these companies figure (any of them) that a carto is equal to a pack of smokes. For the record I tell the truth about the Blu when someone asks. I tell them expect about 30-45 minutes (tops) out of the batt and probably 6 or so cigs out of the carto. Lately I been just sending folks to Wally and getting the Mistic that is WAY cheaper and has WAY more battery life to see if they think they can even try to consider giving up analogs. I agree companies need to tell the truth. The Blu's I have, one was a gift and one I got used off Craigs list. I use the latter more due to the batteries (hole is bigger vapes better, less blinking when trying to draw) I'll use them till they go bad then I'll find another small automatic (or maybe find another craigslist blu) to use when that type of E-cig is appropriate. (see avitar pic).....

I just honestly did start with them and they did keep me analog free and still are. I use my 5V box here and there, and of course I still direct drip on a standard atty on my 510. The Mistics are slowly taking over on the ground when my hands are more freed up.

You are correct about the companies lying. Personally I'm waiting to see what kind of e-cig JC comes up with. Wondering if it will have 510 threads and something bigger or something like the Blu which they make the e-juice for. Time will tell.

I thought we might be more on the same page as not.

I really like my little 5 volt box mod. I only vape between 4.5 - 5.0 volts. I don't know how some of you can switch between 3.7v and 5v. I personally couldn't go back to the cold vapor and weaker hit of 3.7v.

I just ran across this new VV wood box mod out of Poland that has me intrigued. The guy is here on ECF and takes orders from what I have been told:

Gepetto VV Video Review Wood Box mod - YouTube

 

[Jammin]

Reading through pages of this thread, I do not at all think that veterans who offer up better batts etc are doing it to badger newbies. IF someone loves the BLU, I am sure they will continue to use it. I am sure most people here are not so weak minded or thin skinned that they will switch just because of a few posts. I know for me, I was very EASILY swayed to switch when I came here because quite honestly the performance of the 510 was bothering me, so I saw the posts saying to go with bigger batts as welcoming. Truth is, i just had NO Clue what else was out there EXCEPT the 510. The information here was great. It's been close to two years of vaping and even though many here encourage going to mods and all of this other bigger and better stuff, the ego works for me, so I find those posts informative, but no post can make me do anything I don't want. Forum posts with a variety of information are the most helpful to newcomers in my opinion. It gives them choices if they want them.

Now had I been in love with the smaller 510, all the posts in the world wouldn't have swayed me. I never found any of the comments to be badgering or insulting me personally because I was using the 510. Truth is, the 510 batt life does suck. I was spending so much money in those early days on portable battery chargers as it would die on me before I could even get home from an outing to plug it in.

And forums are not really for the thin skinned anyway. People from all over with all types of personalities respond. If someone can't handle differing opinions, forums might not be the best venue to info share.

 

[deach]

Reading through pages of this thread, I do not at all think that veterans who offer up better batts etc are doing it to badger newbies. IF someone loves the BLU, I am sure they will continue to use it. I am sure most people here are not so weak minded or thin skinned that they will switch just because of a few posts. I know for me, I was very EASILY swayed to switch when I came here because quite honestly the performance of the 510 was bothering me, so I saw the posts saying to go with bigger batts as welcoming. Truth is, i just had NO Clue what else was out there EXCEPT the 510. The information here was great. It's been close to two years of vaping and even though many here encourage going to mods and all of this other bigger and better stuff, the ego works for me, so I find those posts informative, but no post can make me do anything I don't want. Forum posts with a variety of information are the most helpful to newcomers in my opinion. It gives them choices if they want them.

Now had I been in love with the smaller 510, all the posts in the world wouldn't have swayed me. I never found any of the comments to be badgering or insulting me personally because I was using the 510. Truth is, the 510 batt life does suck. I was spending so much money in those early days on portable battery chargers as it would die on me before I could even get home from an outing to plug it in.

And forums are not really for the thin skinned anyway. People from all over with all types of personalities respond. If someone can't handle differing opinions, forums might not be the best venue to info share.

You are exactly correct. Henceforth why some don't come to forums and shouldn't. However people that don't register do read these forums. What we say may matter to someone. People need to know the ups and downs of ALL the devices. The reasons to purchase or stay away from. Someone mentioned Blu has quite a FB following and they're right. So folks somewhere are buying and using them. Some need/want bigger devices. That's ok too!! I'm just glad the choices exist for all kinds of vaping. If there was only "one kind", we'd be in trouble.

 

[deach]

I thought we might be more on the same page as not.

I really like my little 5 volt box mod. I only vape between 4.5 - 5.0 volts. I don't know how some of you can switch between 3.7v and 5v. I personally couldn't go back to the cold vapor and weaker hit of 3.7v.

I just ran across this new VV wood box mod out of Poland that has me intrigued. The guy is here on ECF and takes orders from what I have been told:

Gepetto VV Video Review Wood Box mod - YouTube

Awesome wood mod. Honestly I don't seem to notice the difference in temp that much now that you mention it. I do use different juices in different things so maybe that has something to do with it or I'm just numb to it all.

Yes we're at least in the same book and on any given day most likely the same page. I just don't want to say you cannot do it on the smaller devices cause since 11-18 I have. To me that's huge really huge. Each day without a analog is simply awesome to me. Now then....if they weren't working you'd bet your .... I'd be out there looking for something else. *as he sits here with the Blu hanging out of his mouth* LOL