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Are you asking about standard 510 to 510 adapters? If so then yes they fit any 510 connections.
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Also, be careful with these. i have heard horror stories were the 510 on the atty was not sticking out quite enough and created a dead short.
Yes guys I'm referring to the top caps that basically turn a normal mod into a hybrid by lowering the voltage drop. I'm actually looking at some new mods to get. I was looking at stingray as well as Caravela. But I like the concept of being able to have the battery directly getting in contact with the atty and lowering the voltage drop.
I currently have an Apollo clone and didn't have any problems in the last month and a half of using so I'm assuming that as long as the mod is made for 18650 vtc4 (what I'm currently using), and as long as that hybrid 510 cap would match that size of a mod I should be ok.
Can you link me to some of those horror stories that you came across?
I currently have an Apollo clone and didn't have any problems in the last month and a half of using so I'm assuming that as long as the mod is made for 18650 vtc4 (what I'm currently using), and as long as that hybrid 510 cap would match that size of a mod I should be ok.
Can you link me to some of those horror stories that you came across?
Not all atty's can be used on a hybrid mod. If the pin on the atty is not long enough it will result in a short. There have been a few posts recently where someones battery vented due to this.
The difference in voltage drop isn't something you'll notice. Ever. I understand that there's bragging rights and big clouds to blow from the lowest v-drop super sub machine you can put together. However, the button is responsible for the great majority of your voltage drop.
Yes, technically, you can achieve a lower v-drop reading with a "hybrid" top cap. Connecter. However, the difference between the same mod stock vs with the hybrid cap isn't going to be a difference you'll every notice in the vape. The clouds won't get any bigger or thicker. The throat hit and flavor will be the same.
The button is responsible for much more of the v-drop than the top cap, unless the top cap is conducting particularly poorly.
That all said, for cosmetic and length reasons, these are still a pretty cool little thing to be able to put in. The fact that this pretty cool thing also not only doesn't hurt performance, but rather helps a wee bit, is a pretty cool bonus.
The short answer is that they are neither all identical, nor so specific as to be only one mod. There are two basic threads that are popular with most mods being made these days. One such thread, the less common of the two, fits the nemesis and a few others, the other thread fits caravela and a fair number of others. Search for hybrid adapters on fasttech and read the discussions there and you'll find the specific measurements, as well as which mods fit which.
As noted by others, please be aware that the positive contact on the bottom of your atty needs to protrude out of the bottom of the 510 connection to avoid shorting the positive battery terminal on the body of the atty.
Yes, technically, you can achieve a lower v-drop reading with a "hybrid" top cap. Connecter. However, the difference between the same mod stock vs with the hybrid cap isn't going to be a difference you'll every notice in the vape. The clouds won't get any bigger or thicker. The throat hit and flavor will be the same.
The button is responsible for much more of the v-drop than the top cap, unless the top cap is conducting particularly poorly.
That all said, for cosmetic and length reasons, these are still a pretty cool little thing to be able to put in. The fact that this pretty cool thing also not only doesn't hurt performance, but rather helps a wee bit, is a pretty cool bonus.
The short answer is that they are neither all identical, nor so specific as to be only one mod. There are two basic threads that are popular with most mods being made these days. One such thread, the less common of the two, fits the nemesis and a few others, the other thread fits caravela and a fair number of others. Search for hybrid adapters on fasttech and read the discussions there and you'll find the specific measurements, as well as which mods fit which.
As noted by others, please be aware that the positive contact on the bottom of your atty needs to protrude out of the bottom of the 510 connection to avoid shorting the positive battery terminal on the body of the atty.
good post Dzaw 
I was looking at a caravela as well as a stingray or nemesis. One of the sellers online said that Caravella should fit a hybrid adapter that's M20x1, so I gotta do research on those. Do any of you guys have any experience with Caravela, Stingray X, and Nemesis? I know they're popular so I'm certain a good amount of you has some decent experience with them.
As for my little Apollo hybrid, from what you said it makes sense why I haven't had any problems with it so far - the positive contact on the atty sticks out quite a bit past the hybrid connection which is why I haven't had any problems with it so far.
I was looking at a caravela as well as a stingray or nemesis. One of the sellers online said that Caravella should fit a hybrid adapter that's M20x1, so I gotta do research on those. Do any of you guys have any experience with Caravela, Stingray X, and Nemesis? I know they're popular so I'm certain a good amount of you has some decent experience with them.
As for my little Apollo hybrid, from what you said it makes sense why I haven't had any problems with it so far - the positive contact on the atty sticks out quite a bit past the hybrid connection which is why I haven't had any problems with it so far.
I vape pretty much constantly on my brass nemesis clone. Personally like the button and feel. I believe that the threads in the nemesis are m20x0.5. I could be wrong, that's just off the top of my head.
Stingray is know for having one of the lowest v-drops available. It's pretty much a nemesis improved. Stingray-x actually comes with a hybrid style adapter/top cap.
When I bought my nemmy i looked at caravela. I didn't like the idea of a switch that relied on the battery's wrap for its insulation against shorting. Having spent more time with my batteries and devices, this idea bothers me a lot less now, so I just purchased a SMPL.
Stingray is know for having one of the lowest v-drops available. It's pretty much a nemesis improved. Stingray-x actually comes with a hybrid style adapter/top cap.
When I bought my nemmy i looked at caravela. I didn't like the idea of a switch that relied on the battery's wrap for its insulation against shorting. Having spent more time with my batteries and devices, this idea bothers me a lot less now, so I just purchased a SMPL.
I don't mean to hijack this thread, but I'm curious...So these hybrid top caps have the outer 510 (-) threading for the atomizer but no center pin (+)? I guess the 510 protrudes through the top cap so the battery + post makes direct contact with the atomizer center post? Am I getting this right?
I have a Super T mechmod ordered along with their Strata RDA, and the Strata screws directly onto the tube, replacing the top cap. Is that called a hybrid connection?
I have a Super T mechmod ordered along with their Strata RDA, and the Strata screws directly onto the tube, replacing the top cap. Is that called a hybrid connection?
I found this:
Mod and Atomizer List by Threading: FastTech Forums
And according to that thread your nemesis is 20.5x.5
I just watched maestro vapes do a review on caravela and he said the same thing you were worrying about - that unless your battery is not protected with coating it'll short out. Do you think that still stands true? I have vtc4's and they do have that protective coating but still, wouldn't that be kind of pushing the safety envelope with that type of button design?
I just watched maestro vapes do a review on caravela and he said the same thing you were worrying about - that unless your battery is not protected with coating it'll short out. Do you think that still stands true? I have vtc4's and they do have that protective coating but still, wouldn't that be kind of pushing the safety envelope with that type of button design?
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With vtc4 there is a good wrap to prevent this. However, it is very much necessary to check the condition of this wrap EVERY time you put a battery into the mod.
Also, paint the top rim of the inside of the button, where it pushes onto the battery with a thin layer of clear nail polish. This will also help prevent a short through that spot.
Ramshot - when the atty has threading that screws directly to the mod's outer tube, without a 510 that's a true hybrid mod/atty assembly. Then there's a "hybrid style connecter" like we're discussing here. These give 510 devices the appearance of a hybrid mod. Now there's a third catagory, like SMPL with a hybrid style 510 connection built in.
Also, paint the top rim of the inside of the button, where it pushes onto the battery with a thin layer of clear nail polish. This will also help prevent a short through that spot.
Ramshot - when the atty has threading that screws directly to the mod's outer tube, without a 510 that's a true hybrid mod/atty assembly. Then there's a "hybrid style connecter" like we're discussing here. These give 510 devices the appearance of a hybrid mod. Now there's a third catagory, like SMPL with a hybrid style 510 connection built in.
Thanks Dzaw, would a Caravela that has this type of plastic casing on the button pretty much take care of that issue?
Caravela Copper "Style" 18650 Mod USA Seller Brand New | eBay
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The button on that one appears to be constructed like a marriage of nemesis and caravela buttons. An interesting twist on caravela.
The only problem now, since this isn't a direct 1:1 clone, what thread size is that? Maybe it's the same thread size as the original, maybe not. If you get a hybrid top cap that will fit an original, it may or may not fit this.
Also, being a non direct clone, you're buying a Chinese made and Chinese re-engineered piece of equipment. This becomes a crap shoot on Q/A and whether or not the pieces actually screw together, function, etc. if what you actually get is identical to the pictures then you should be ok, but there's a certain amount of risk involved.
The button on that one appears to be constructed like a marriage of nemesis and caravela buttons. An interesting twist on caravela.
The only problem now, since this isn't a direct 1:1 clone, what thread size is that? Maybe it's the same thread size as the original, maybe not. If you get a hybrid top cap that will fit an original, it may or may not fit this.
Also, being a non direct clone, you're buying a Chinese made and Chinese re-engineered piece of equipment. This becomes a crap shoot on Q/A and whether or not the pieces actually screw together, function, etc. if what you actually get is identical to the pictures then you should be ok, but there's a certain amount of risk involved.
Yep, a hybrid connection is exactly that. No positive pin; the center-pin of the head goes directly onto the top of the battery.
Not sure whether the strata would also be considered a hybrid or not. Although in principle it's the same, it doesn't have any 510 threading.
So is this one a Chinese version too?
Caravela Copper Mechanical Mod with Pre Drilled Copper Patriot RDA Options | eBay
From the listing:
All mods and atomizers are high quality clones unless they clearly state that they are authentic.
Difficult.
I -suspect- that it is. Price is usually an indicator in one direction only. Buying a clone of a $100+ product for under $20? Definitely a Chinese clone. However, the reverse isn't necessarily true. Buying a clone of a $100+ product for $40 might be, or might not be. That's a nice battery he's offering (if it's authentic) but if you get that one, throw that charger in the trash immediately and get you a good charger!
Personally, between the two, if I were in the market for a copper caravela clone, I would buy the first one and take my chances. That's me. It seems to me that either product could have an issue, roughly equivalent risk (which realistically is only in the 5% range) and better price.
I'm not saying you should, but that knowing myself, that's how I would think.
I -suspect- that it is. Price is usually an indicator in one direction only. Buying a clone of a $100+ product for under $20? Definitely a Chinese clone. However, the reverse isn't necessarily true. Buying a clone of a $100+ product for $40 might be, or might not be. That's a nice battery he's offering (if it's authentic) but if you get that one, throw that charger in the trash immediately and get you a good charger!
Personally, between the two, if I were in the market for a copper caravela clone, I would buy the first one and take my chances. That's me. It seems to me that either product could have an issue, roughly equivalent risk (which realistically is only in the 5% range) and better price.
I'm not saying you should, but that knowing myself, that's how I would think.
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