i am about to buy my first e-cig and i have been wondering weather to get the Basic Starter Kit - Element - 3 Piece or to get the Jet Black Electronic Cigarette Kit one is an 808 model while the other is a 510.. i have no experience with the 510 but was wondering if it would give off more vapor than the 808. because seeing how the 808 uses "cartomizers" which have the atomizer inside the cartridge maybe it would be of less quality than an atomizer for the 510 because its used all the time while the 808 just gets tossed when done with. can anyone tell me the advantages and disadvantages for each type of unit so i have a better idea on what would work best for me... thanks for reading
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I do not recommend auto models of either. If you get them I recommend manual. Manuals are harder to damage or kill with juice leaks, easier to get a good hit. and if you get 510 I only recommend Joye or Janty brand (i.e. real 510's)
Hardly anyone uses the atomizer and cart with 510. They use them with cartomizers. But most 510 cartomizers are blank. I use juices with 20% or less VG and I avoid juices that seem to drop a lot of flavoring sediment in the stuffing (typically dark or cloudy juices). I can get a week of use or more out of a carto
KR808D-1 has lots of prefilled cartomizers and sample packs too - see Vapor4Life.com and SmokelessImage.com (as well as Bloogplanet and Halocigs G6 - what you showed is probably a G6). The Vapor4Life has a custom 10-13 second cutoff allowing longer drags. The other 3 I listed are rubberized, the manuals have a better sealed threaded end, and they have 40mah more charge for each battery size, very nice cartomizers, but a 5-second cutoff.
KR808D-1 is also more voltage than 510 - 3.7 (3.6 for the rubberized models) vs 3.4 for 510. And many of the popular KR880D-1 cartos are close to 2.5 ohm (about the hottest you can use on a slim ecig) so I put the juice I want more hit out of on the KR808D-1
For testing juices or vaping thick juices on a manual 510, you can can use a drip tip. On a manual KR808D-1 you can use a standard resistance DSE901 atomizer and drip tip to test juices.
I vape both.
Hardly anyone uses the atomizer and cart with 510. They use them with cartomizers. But most 510 cartomizers are blank. I use juices with 20% or less VG and I avoid juices that seem to drop a lot of flavoring sediment in the stuffing (typically dark or cloudy juices). I can get a week of use or more out of a carto
KR808D-1 has lots of prefilled cartomizers and sample packs too - see Vapor4Life.com and SmokelessImage.com (as well as Bloogplanet and Halocigs G6 - what you showed is probably a G6). The Vapor4Life has a custom 10-13 second cutoff allowing longer drags. The other 3 I listed are rubberized, the manuals have a better sealed threaded end, and they have 40mah more charge for each battery size, very nice cartomizers, but a 5-second cutoff.
KR808D-1 is also more voltage than 510 - 3.7 (3.6 for the rubberized models) vs 3.4 for 510. And many of the popular KR880D-1 cartos are close to 2.5 ohm (about the hottest you can use on a slim ecig) so I put the juice I want more hit out of on the KR808D-1
For testing juices or vaping thick juices on a manual 510, you can can use a drip tip. On a manual KR808D-1 you can use a standard resistance DSE901 atomizer and drip tip to test juices.
I vape both.
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You can use cartomizers on the 510 as well as the KR808. You can use them both the same way, really.
I think they're both good- the 510 and KR808. Halo is a good company and many people here really like their juice.
I think they're both good- the 510 and KR808. Halo is a good company and many people here really like their juice.
I have not used 808 stuff but the 510 is the most popular and more variety of equip and acc. You can get 510 atomizers cartomizer, tanks, tips you name it. There are a few that prefer 808 though
First off, 510 and 808 are sizes of PVs, or more precisely sizes of connections on PVs. Use of a cartomizer (carto) or atomizer (atty) and cartridge (cart) isn't exclusive to one size or the other. However the atty's for 808's are called 901's...no clue as to why exactly but we just kinda roll with it.
The most common thread is 510, which means you'll find more options in cartos and atties to fit it, however 808 is gaining increasing popularity.
Most recommended 510 is the eGo (whether Joye or Riva) and for 808, the newer versions like the Volt and the G6 are becoming the go-to brands.
Big thing to remember with your initial purchase is battery life, the smaller the batt the more you'll have to recharge it. Slightly larger models, like the eGo are usually 650mAh where as slimmer, more cig sized, ones typically top out around 200mAh, about 1/3 the battery life.
As far as cartos or atties go, I'm a carto guy. They are considered disposable but can (and should) be refilled. Life span varies with each user, but 3-5 days is the minimum with good care (keeping them topped off,) hell I've got some cartos in tanks that are 3-4 weeks old and still haven't slacked off.
The most common thread is 510, which means you'll find more options in cartos and atties to fit it, however 808 is gaining increasing popularity.
Most recommended 510 is the eGo (whether Joye or Riva) and for 808, the newer versions like the Volt and the G6 are becoming the go-to brands.
Big thing to remember with your initial purchase is battery life, the smaller the batt the more you'll have to recharge it. Slightly larger models, like the eGo are usually 650mAh where as slimmer, more cig sized, ones typically top out around 200mAh, about 1/3 the battery life.
As far as cartos or atties go, I'm a carto guy. They are considered disposable but can (and should) be refilled. Life span varies with each user, but 3-5 days is the minimum with good care (keeping them topped off,) hell I've got some cartos in tanks that are 3-4 weeks old and still haven't slacked off.
I love my 510's, but I agree if you can a manual vs. automatic, do that! I have a Joye510 mega that I love!
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awesome, everyone i am glad you responded to my thread this helps a lot! i see now that the 510 battery will hold less charge than the 808 and also the 78 mm 808 battery is also going to hold more charge than the 65mm 808 battery by 80 mAh. and its the same price lol so obviously go with the one which holds more charge. the 808 and 510 actually have the same voltage (at least according the the links i posted for the halocigs versions) however i do not know what the voltage means so can someone explain what that is lol?
If you're talking about my post I meant that the KR808 and the 510 can both be used as a two piece device. Cartomizer & battery.
The 510 has the option to be used as a three piece device- battery, atomizer & cartridge, but most seem to prefer using cartomizers.
You get approximately an hour per 100 mah of continous vaping. Both the 510 as well as the KR808 come with xl batteries. You have to be careful though, if you get a pcc all batteries don't work with every pcc. For example, some Xl KR808 batteries don't work with a standard KR808 pcc.
Nearly all 510's are 3.7v now, and 808's always have been. Simply put, voltage is the level of power the battery is providing to vaporize the liquid inside. Higher voltage typically means more TH (throat hit) and more vapor, but at the cost of some flavors. Everyone eventually develops their sweet spot, meaning they found the voltage, resistance, and juice blend (PG/VG) combo that gives them the experience they're looking for.
As far as going with the 808, the choice is yours, however I will point out that you're still only looking at 280mAh even in the longer version. Although choosing either of the options linked will cut off the LR (low resistance) and DC (dual coil) cartomizer market for you, you need a larger (higher mAh) battery to handle these.
As far as going with the 808, the choice is yours, however I will point out that you're still only looking at 280mAh even in the longer version. Although choosing either of the options linked will cut off the LR (low resistance) and DC (dual coil) cartomizer market for you, you need a larger (higher mAh) battery to handle these.
I've used the 808D-1 (XL manual) from Vapor4Life for over two years and they've stood the test of time - they work really well. I also have an IGo and I like it a lot. Recently I purchased my first 510-model, the E-Power. Unfortunately I got a bad switch so it wouldn't turn off but when it worked properly it was terrific.
The bottom line is that they all work about the same if they are 3.7v. The biggest difference that I can see is simply battery life. My IGO @ 1300mah lasts the longest. I don't see much of a difference with the different models in terms of vapor, flavor or throat hit.
The bottom line is that they all work about the same if they are 3.7v. The biggest difference that I can see is simply battery life. My IGO @ 1300mah lasts the longest. I don't see much of a difference with the different models in terms of vapor, flavor or throat hit.
I see a difference between the smaller battery and larger battery models in terms of vaping because you can use low resistance cartos and attys on the big battery models. You definitely notice a difference in terms of vapor, flavor and throat hit using LR cartos.
Personally, I've tried both and only with cartos and I just happen to prefer the 808's. The main reasons are the thinner & longer 510's seem to get caught on things and also get stuck in my pocket (I know, why is that idiot carrying it there instead of a case where it's safer-----I use automatics instead of manuals that could stick in the ON position). Also, when I'm stealth vaping I can't hide the 510's as easily as 808's, and I seem to get a larger, fuller hit from the 808. The 510's are also harder to refill, as I always seem to find the center hole somehow. Again this is personal preference, more folks prefer 510's and you can find way more stuff than the old time 808. Have fun either way.
I'm relatively light on overall experience, but I have been using 808's for about 3 1/2 months. The automatics from different companies behave differently I've noticed. I have one that fires when the wind blows or I move my hand and another from a different company that only responds when I'm taking a drag. Also, I was a 2 pack a day smoker and I've found I need a minimum of 4 batteries to get by. If I could make the choice over again, I would have gone with something that offered a 1100mah battery so I didn't have to constantly be charging batterires. Just my 
btw, you can find 510 auto batt kits (not that I recommend auto batts) for $26 and 510 manual batt kits for $30 at Hoosiers. And 510 & 808 starter kits can be had from madvapes for about $33-$35. Just saying...
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