510, pre-heat the air?

[Wall]

After Scottbee saying the Ego/Tornado voltage was the same as the standard 510 Titan, it seemed obvious there had to be something else at play. A lot of people say the Tornado is a step up from the standard 510, so after some discussion I decided to try to replicate the cone. I did it with a 15ml bottle but had to extend the cart end to use it. I then tried a 10ml bottle.

The bottom edge is a tight fit. The top is tight except in a two small spots to let air in at the top. The air heats around the atty.

I have tried this several times with and without it, and the difference, to me, is very noticeable. I am happy with my 510 and standard battery for the first time since I started vaping when I didnt know any better

The vapor feels warmer after the first few hits, and it seems like there is more vapor. Destroy a cheap bottle and let me know if it works for any of you

 

[Wireguy]

Er um. Thats not what Scottbee said. Just the opposite in fact. That doesn't mean that warming the vape is wrong though.

 

[Wall]

Er um. Thats not what Scottbee said. Just the opposite in fact. That doesn't mean that warming the vape is wrong though.

I said : After Scottbee saying the Ego/Tornado voltage was the same as the standard 510 Titan, it seemed obvious there had to be something else at play


Directly pulled from Scottbee's post

Well what about that eGo/Tornado. Certainly with its big (650mAh) battery capacity, it must have a higher delivered voltage.. right?

Ummmm.....

Seeing a trend here? Joye batteries, by design and as a function of their internal circuitry and resistance... do NOT put out 3.7V.

All I said was that the battery performance per Scottbee was the same as the 510 standard, so it provoked me to think about why it would be better

 

[Thyestean]

Just may have to give that a try.

 

[Wall]

Also from Scottbees thread Quoting him again.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Wall
I didn't even consider that, since the enclosed air around the cone is being heated by what would normally be warming our finger as the atty gets hotter?

Yup. And generally speaking, you will notice a difference with the eGo/Tornado if you run it with the cone off vs. on. Especially if you are in the habit of doing a "primer puff" or two.




Obviously this is what drove trying this, I just forgot about it for a few days. So unless im taking his words out of context, Thanks to him again !

 

[Wireguy]

You are correct sir.

 

[WillyB]

Well Scott/igetcha69 felt the cone changes nothing.

I wish you had spent more time with the cone off vs. on thing and how it affects the vape. I see all sorts of posts attributing almost magical differences.

hi mate,
i did actually spend quite a lot of time comparing the difference between having the cone on and off. but like i said in the video, i could not tell any difference in performance personally.
cheers,
scott

YouTube - REVIEW OF THE JANTY EGO ELECTRONIC CIGARETTE

 

[Wall]

Well Scott/igetcha69 felt the cone changes nothing.

I wish you had spent more time with the cone off vs. on thing and how it affects the vape. I see all sorts of posts attributing almost magical differences.

hi mate,
i did actually spend quite a lot of time comparing the difference between having the cone on and off. but like i said in the video, i could not tell any difference in performance personally.
cheers,
scott

YouTube - REVIEW OF THE JANTY EGO ELECTRONIC CIGARETTE

I saw that review and I think that comment is rubbish! that guy gets insane vapor no matter what he vapes for some reason.

Ive talked with people who have the tornado and they say it is a noticeable difference without the cone, thats what inspired this in the first place.

Has anyone actually tried this besides me yet? 20 cent bottle and 2 minutes of time at most. Razor blade to cut the mouth off to make it fit, and maybe an open flame and a screw driver to make the hole in the bottom of the bottle

 

[Richie G]

I saw that review and I think that comment is rubbish! that guy gets insane vapor no matter what he vapes for some reason.

Ive talked with people who have the tornado and they say it is a noticeable difference without the cone, thats what inspired this in the first place.

Has anyone actually tried this besides me yet? 20 cent bottle and 2 minutes of time at most. Razor blade to cut the mouth off to make it fit, and maybe an open flame and a screw driver to make the hole in the bottom of the bottle

There IS a big difference with the cone on, cone off.

What is interesting here Wall is that (I *think*) unbeknownst to you, you replicated two distinct facets of the Tornado (eGo, in my case). I'm not convinced that preheating the air is the only thing at play. As you stated in your OP, at the end of the plastic bottle near the mouth piece you made small holes for air flow -- the other end of the bottle is a tight fit. Your intent was draw the air across the outside of the atomizer thus heating it, right? But, simultaneously you also re-directed that air flow and restricted it. I think that tigher draw, that restricted air flow, plays a part in the performance of the eGo/Tornado as well.

And Igetcha usually does a good review. But, he completely missed the boat in his assertion that the eGo vapes the same with the cone on or off. The flow is much airier with the cone off and the TH is lessened.

 

[debook]

And Igetcha usually does a good review. But, he completely missed the boat in his assertion that the eGo vapes the same with the cone on or off. The flow is much airier with the cone off and the TH is lessened.

Vaping RY4 in my Tornado without the cone and that is exactly what I sense as well, looser draw and lighter TH. The cone also plays on the atty as well, I've said before that it heat sinks it but that's not exactly right. Somehow it keeps it more consistent than a standard 510 - something to do with the air that flows by the atty inside the cone when we draw on it.

 

[Wall]

Thanks guys, glad someone agrees with me to some extent. Still waiting for someone else to try this to give their opinino. Its a hella cheap mod and I am really enjoying the improvement.

Note: I have tried this with a cheap disposable version and it doesnt seem to work as well, might be that the draw is different, or that the atty has less conductive exposed metal for the heat.

 

[john doe]

easy check to see if it's the preheat or airflow. just slide the bottle down so it still surrounds the vents but doesn't cover the atty.

 

[Richie G]

easy check to see if it's the preheat or airflow. just slide the bottle down so it still surrounds the vents but doesn't cover the atty.

LOL!

That is so simple but ingenious at the same time. Bravo, JD. =)

I think Wall's experiment is a clever approach but I wonder if the plastic bottle disperses too much heat as opposed to a metal cone -- or am I over-thinking this being it's such a short distance and short amount of time? Either way it's a good ballpark estimate, I think.

 

[Wall]

not sure i can do that will a manual battery, plus for it to cover the vents and not the atty the plastic will be directly on the hot metal part, guess i can try it with an autobattery and an extra bottle

 

[john doe]

it doesn't need to go all the way down. just enough so most of the atty is exposed. about 3/4 of the way down and you're past the coil

 

[petercro]

This is just my opinion, but I think the result of sliding the bottle down will be the same.
It is the airflow that is changing the vape quality in this case.
I agree though, Heat causes a dramatic change in vape performance.
Try this for a little experiment.
Vape with no cone attached. (note amount of vapour, and flavour produced).
Place mod in your jeans .... pocket for 20 mins. (increasing temp of the whole mod)
Vape again. (Note the difference).

 

[skipjenkins]

Sometimes I keep my vape led pointed down with the mouthpiece in my baseball cap when I'm in the garage or something. I think I get more vapor and a bit more TH when I hit my stock 510 after it's been sitting next to my skin. Just my .02

Also, can you clarify where each end of the bottle sits in relation to the joins between the batt/atty and atty/mouthpiece? I have a 10ml empty bottle and would like to try, but I wanted to understand before I started cutting.


Thanks.