A matter of time before big tobacco and pharma take over.

[jaybale]

I see all this crap going on now about where and if you can have a ecig in certain areas and it just smells like the beginning of a pile of bureaucracy that is designed to either take my rights away or economically imprison me if I choose to enjoy smoking a healthier safer form of nicotine.
Those ten dollar disposables in the gas station scare me as well, and we all know that that's were the mass market is heading. New York City wont be getting any tourist dollars from me and my wife any further. That once ever year shopping trip will be in a state that is not suppressing my rights to enjoy nicotine the way I want it.
Its just a matter of time before Pharma and their lobby teams they intertwine with get their grub skinning fingers in the market The thing that makes me sicker is that know one can stop it. Not me not you.

Jaybale

 

[TheReign]

I think the disposables are whats hurting us. Who knows whats in those doodoo cigalikes, Unlike what we vape on where we know whats in our liquid. I go through ECblends now as I would any AEMSA certified vendor cause it's nice to know what is going in / how clean a facility is thats making my juice. If only they stopped focusing on the Blu's or Logic sticks at a gas station maybe they would have a different outlook. unfortunately there hasn't been much studies done so thats why the FDA is doing all the BS they are, not too mention ontop of the taxes they lose out on because of people switching to vaping and not smoking.

It all boils down to greed and power, Big pharma and tobacco benefit from both. Tobacco makes the money and kills people while doing it, while big pharma sits back and waits for people to come in with smoking related illness so they can treat/cure them and make profit off of the crappy health given with cigs.


It sucks

 

[The Ministry]

I'm gradually increasing my stock of nicotine liquid, most of it is now in the freezer.

I'd like to think I can stockpile enough to keep me (and friends and family) going for a while after a ban comes in (I can see it happening) that forces the average Jo E-Cig supplier off the street in favor of BT and the rest.

It's nanny state stuff really, something the UK is pretty good at.

I'm not bitter, nor am I negative, I just can't see freedom to vape whatever we want being an option for much longer.

Wish it weren't the case of course....but that nic will get DIY'd either way so I'm getting prepared.

Annoying, aint it.

 

[Completely Average]

SOME regulation is a good thing.

I don't mind the idea of regulating the raw ingredients that go into the liquids used. I don't mind health standards and inspections in regards to commercial liquid production. Why would I want the liquid I vape to be any less regulated than the food I eat?

I would even support limiting sales to only those 18 or older nationally.

Beyond that I believe it should be a matter of individual rights unless some significant evidence of 2nd hand vapor being dangerous is found. It's not smoking, it's simulated smoking, and not a whole lot different from holding your fingers to your mouth and blowing big clouds of water vapor in really cold weather. Without evidence of a hazard to others, they are really just banning the public simulation of smoking.


In which case I would be EXTREMELY interested in keeping a watch out on the government and local politician's use of fog machines, and then bring up a legal complaint based on the fact that a fog machine is mechanically and chemically identical to an ecig. (minus the nicotine)

For those that don't know, a commercial fog machine is an atomizer which is fed a glycol/glycerine liquid which is then vaporized. Sound familiar?

Should make the city Halloween festival interesting when they realize they've banned their own props.

 

[wedoitall]

I for one plan to be pro active . I too plan on stock piling .


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[mostlyclassics]

New York City wont be getting any tourist dollars from me and my wife any further. That once ever year shopping trip will be in a state that is not suppressing my rights to enjoy nicotine the way I want it.

Don't forget to join me and others in boycotting Chicago as well.

 

[NoVaWolf]

I admit to stockpiling 'just in case', but I also believe in trying to stop or mitigate the legal trend, so I'm a member of CASAA, I write my representatives, follow the Legislative subforum, etc. So don't just fill your freezers with nic, make your voices heard! C'mon, it's painless, free and fun to make ourselves heard so that it's not just the ANTZ getting the airtime...

 

[wedoitall]

I admit to stockpiling 'just in case', but I also believe in trying to stop or mitigate the legal trend, so I'm a member of CASAA, I write my representatives, follow the Legislative subforum, etc. So don't just fill your freezers with nic, make your voices heard! C'mon, it's painless, free and fun to make ourselves heard so that it's not just the ANTZ getting the airtime...

That's what I meant by being proactive . Actually just joined CASAA last night and will be active on the legislative thread here as well as outside the forum . I was very proactive in my local community a few years back over tobacco and plan to be even more over Vaping. With only about a week and a half without analogs I already feel better and all the success stories I've heard here and in person at a B&M. I feel we all should take upon ourselves to fight for the right and also no taxation.


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[Jay-dub]

I don't think it hurts to factor in the 24 hour news-cycle and it's necessity to sensationalize. There's a lot of rabble-rousing on both sides. When the posturing dies down and the issue gets visited and re-visited, the boogey man may actually start to take shape enough to have a targeted defense. Right now, I feel we do a lot of shadow-boxing. Like a cornered animal lunging at anything in striking distance. I've seen a few passed regulations that need challenged. But until more things are in place, there's nothing specific to challenge in a lot of cases. Only the fears of what might happen if the proposals are passed and if they are not amended before final adoption. Besides, invested manufacturers around the world show no sign of slowing down R&D or Marketing. I figure their money has to cancel out some of our faith in how bad things will be.

 

[jaybale]

I didn't even begin to think how bad the health community would not like e-cigs. Thinking now how much money they stand to loose.
i was just thinking big tobacco, but my god in might be more of a risk to health care in terms of dollars lost. i think getting a little stockpile might not be a bad idea at all...

 

[Amsterdamm]

To what degree does everyone thing that people flagrantly and very conspiciously -- you know what I mean -- smoking from a PV in public has damaged the cause.

 

[XmaliceX]

To what degree does everyone thing that people flagrantly and very conspiciously -- you know what I mean -- smoking from a PV in public has damaged the cause.

it's a matter of "people fear what they don't understand". And to someone whos never vaped, nor known anyone that has, they see people vaping in public and panic. Yes I believe this has added more fuel to the fire than anything else. Sadly I cannot see any logical way to educate the general public on this en mass.

 

[EddardinWinter]

To what degree does everyone thing that people flagrantly and very conspiciously -- you know what I mean -- smoking from a PV in public has damaged the cause.

I don't think that is the problem at all. Most of the reasons given for bans that I have researched are either, "they (e-cigarettes) are trying to hook children with flavors like bubblegum and candy, and its a gateway to smoking" OR "it looks like smoking so it sends the wrong message"

Show me a link to ban that cites, "This guy was at the XXXX (mall, coffee shop, restaurant) blowing huge clouds of vapor in people's faces, so we got this ban started" and I will change my opinion on this subject. Until then, I refuse to blame my fellow vapers that choose to vape differently than I do.

 

[Amsterdamm]

it's a matter of "people fear what they don't understand". And to someone whos never vaped, nor known anyone that has, they see people vaping in public and panic. Yes I believe this has added more fuel to the fire than anything else. Sadly I cannot see any logical way to educate the general public on this en mass.

True enough, but I wonder if it is the guy who rolls into the daycare full of self-confidence that blowing a cloud full of VG vapor inside isn't a problem because it's not smoke. Or I wonder if it is the guy you see puffing away on one in a movie theater, or a hospital, or any other places where it would be obxious -- or just inappropriate -- to do so.

My point is, while I love vaping and such, because people need to recall that just because it is not smoke, it is not a free for all. There are times and places where it is inappropriate and I see a whole lot of guys out there vaping with an intended high profile that I wonder is worsening the issue.

 

[Amsterdamm]

Show me a link to ban that cites, "This guy was at the XXXX (mall, coffee shop, restaurant) blowing huge clouds of vapor in people's faces, so we got this ban started" and I will change my opinion on this subject. Until then, I refuse to blame my fellow vapers that choose to vape differently than I do.

I'm not blaming "us" or pointing a finger at "them", but I hope people can agree that until this is more generally accepted, being really brazen about it in public, particularly in closed spaces, may be making the fight harder for us than it ought to be.

 

[Amsterdamm]

I guess what I am saying is that I'd like to see a little more discretion displayed on the part of those whom vape to be a tad more discrete and use some common sense in that just because it is harmless does not mean it is socially exceptable everywhere.

For instance, just as if one should expect trouble if they proudly, conspiciously, and flagrantly take a swing from a flask as they walk into their kid's high school, they ought to expect the same if vaping.

Just me two cents.

 

[Amsterdamm]

Sorry if I am spamming or hijacking the thread. I'll surrender it now.

 

[EddardinWinter]

I'm not blaming "us" or pointing a finger at "them", but I hope people can agree that until this is more generally accepted, being really brazen about it in public, particularly in closed spaces, may be making the fight harder for us than it ought to be.

Sure, boorish behavior is never helpful.

I just have spent a fair amount of time researching these bans, and every one I can remember cites one of my first two reasons. Until I see a ban that cites a vaper's behavior...this will remain a secondary concern to me, and in my mind blame will be placed on the shoulders of the people with the FDA, Big Pharma, CDC, WHO, ALA, etc. who refuse to examine the issue objectively and spout misinformation about vaping hazards. I can document their deliberate misrepresentations with little effort.

 

[Tabfreejon]

My opinion is that if you're vaping in public, you should treat it as though you're smoking.

For example, I've seen people in the supermarket puffing away like Billy Big Biscuits. Now they wouldn't be smoking a cig there, so why vape there?

Just because you can, it doesn't mean you should. If we show a little respect to others who may not be aware of what vaping actually is, then perhaps we'd get a lot more respect in return.

 

[InfernoOrangeSS]

My opinion is that if you're vaping in public, you should treat it as though you're smoking.

For example, I've seen people in the supermarket puffing away like Billy Big Biscuits. Now they wouldn't be smoking a cig there, so why vape there?

Just because you can, it doesn't mean you should. If we show a little respect to others who may not be aware of what vaping actually is, then perhaps we'd get a lot more respect in return.

I totally agree with this. I keep my vaping like when I smoked. No need to give vaping a bad name just because some people are ignorant. (A month ago, I'd have thought a vaper was just using a machine to smoke tobacco.). I think respecting others is a good thing. It doesn't bother me, because I was already going to areas to smoke.

I also think we need to be proactive. Groups like CASAA help. If I hear of anything going down about vaping, I wi definitely call and email my representatives to let them know I vape and I vote.