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So someone I know doesn't like the ecig and is seriously considering sending this as a proposed letter to our local newspaper editor. I'm so flipping angry right now I can't compose myself enough to write a response. Instead I thought I'd share it on here and maybe get some great points to reply with so I respond once I've calmed down a bit.

Proposed editorial for the newspaper -- BAN THE E-CIG NOW! (UNCLASSIFIED)I’ve seen the face of the devil and it is the e-cig.
The problems with the e-cig are many but here’s the biggest one: currently, it’s still legal and not closely-regulated by the FDA and ATF. Secondary to that, but more insidious is this: the proponents of the e-cig are promoting it as a “healthier” alternative to normal smoking…and further promoting it on the belief that the second-hand smoke is not as lethal to those around them.
Let’s think about that a second. That’s basically stating that Stalin was not as bad as Hitler, because Stalin only killed millions of his OWN people, while Hitler took over other countries and killed millions there, too.
NO ONE is foolish enough to make the claim that e-cigs are good for you. Even the traitorous “doctors” babbling about how the FDA was overstating their case don’t go so far as to suggest that we should all take up the habit, that we’ll live longer, happier and more productive lives if we’re e-smokers. The e-cig IS bad; like ......, like ......., nicotine is an inherently addictive drug. And instead of fulfilling the useful purpose of helping the poor, slobbering cigarette addict kick his habit, e-cigs are actually helping perpetuate it, by giving smokers an alternative that is “not quite as unhealthy” as the real thing, thereby allowing them to delude themselves into believing, “It’s okay! At least I’m not smoking!” And so, they continue to smoke.
Worse, they THEN believe it’s okay to “smoke” these devices in areas and places where “real” smoking is prohibited. Because they don’t smell as bad as normal cigarettes, and because “in theory” the second-hand smoke—pardon me, “vapor”—is not as harmful, they feel it’s perfectly okay to use them in non-smoking restaurants, in non-smoking cars, in non-smoking rooms and houses.
I say, it’s not okay, and they need to be outlawed the same as normal cigarettes.
Even if they smelled like fresh-cut roses and gave the second-hand “vaper” a pleasant euphoria, they’ve not been PROVEN safe; it took decades and millions of dollars of studies before anyone could convince people of the very real dangers of “normal” second-hand smoke. And even in the unlikely event it can eventually be proven totally safe, people around the “vaper” get uneasy because it STILL LOOKS LIKE SMOKING, and no non-smoker wants that near where they’re eating…and living…and breathing. We’ve won that battle once and thought we wouldn’t have to deal with it any more. Now, the e-smoker has created a loophole.
Finally, here’s the really evil part of the e-cig phenomenon. Because the “vaper” is touting it as a “healthier alternative” (as opposed to calling it what it really is—a “slightly-less-deadly alternative”) people who would not normally consider smoking can be lured into trying one. Since there are no external legal prohibitions like there are for smoking, people who are “role models” who indulge in this “healthier poison” can much more easily seduce the young and foolish into starting down the path of a lifelong addiction. And there are no Surgeon General’s warnings on the e-cig.

As a parent, would you be any happier if your child had an “e-cig” habit instead of a “normal” cigarette habit? Both are addictions, both are unquestionably bad for you, both are an expensive drain on your lifetime budget. The difference is in degree of damage, not kind. What happens when—as they inevitably will—children decide it’s okay to try THIS stupid habit, because the e-smokers have been telling everyone around them, ‘it’s okay to do this’? How will parents defend not allowing their children to do it, if the e-smokers successfully promote their agenda and can fool others (and themselves) into believing, ‘There’s nothing wrong with this. It’s not REALLY bad for you’?

Try to get your lips around this statement, parents: “Well, at least it’s a ‘healthier’ addiction than ........” I hope that will be of great comfort when your child begins e-smoking.
The devil always wears a pleasant, smiling face when he tells you lies; and the e-cig is a great big lie, wrapped up in a vapory smile.
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You're right, I don't like it.

I could repeat the same old stuff everyone has been saying about "how's a kid going to afford and e-cig" and stuff like that, but I'll let it rest.

I personally do not vape anywher I wouldn't smoke. Vapers with the "in your face" attitude that they can do what they want, where and when they want, are not doing anyone any favors. Maybe if we'd lie a little lower, it would lessen the number of confrontations like this letter.

At least ...... addicts can get methadone. We might end up with jacks***.
 

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I think it is best for me to reserve my opinion of that letter for the time being.

Wait, I cannot help myself.....

"slobbering cigarette addict "

That ^ is just the FIRST thing that makes me wonder how someone can make mention of the DEVIL, yet have such total disregard for fellow mankind.

I'll get back to this one after I no longer feel the urge to .... nevermind. ;)
 

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As an intelligent adult who chooses my 'battles' -
it would seem that
if this is indeed more than just a post on an obscure internet forum meant to get attention......;)

I wouldn't dedicate my time to an attempt at edumacating someone whose mind is obviously made up - (is the letter?).
I have better things to do with my breath (and typing fingers).

Should a response be your choice - there are many, many resources, links, videos and articles available throughout this forum.

We all have a right to our own opinion - I'd say let this letter writer have theirs...their rant sorta shows how level headed and informed they are.

I'll find a more productive way to 'serve' the p/v cause.


30 years of smoking....
Vaporized by my ScrewDriver!
 

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with my new and improved sense of smell - and re-reading the OP
the whole thing is so over the top with it's ridiculous references....
(sure we as parents need a reason not to let our kids try a new nicotine product ?????)here fishy fishy fishy.

God bless the mentally impaired:rolleyes:

30 years of smoking...
Vaporized by my ScrewDriver!
 

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I think it is best for me to reserve my opinion of that letter for the time being.

Wait, I cannot help myself.....

"slobbering cigarette addict "

That ^ is just the FIRST thing that makes me wonder how someone can make mention of the DEVIL, yet have such total disregard for fellow mankind.

I'll get back to this one after I no longer feel the urge to .... nevermind. ;)

What makes you think it's a cigarette smoker? :confused:
 

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I just got off the phone with his son. I know his son, a 30 year old adult in the Navy mind you, and I got him to try vaping instead of smoking. Well, his son is visiting them right now and it sounds like he may have been doing it around them too much, in their house, in their car, when going out to eat. Last night, his mom said "I want to try that thing" and she's never been a smoker. I think it got his dad really PO'd and he sent that email to me because I've been friends of theirs for such a long time. I've known this guy can be a jerk at times but the way he attacks these things comparing them to the Devil, Stalin, and Hitler really shocked me!
 

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Don't you feel comforted by people who want to control what you put in your body? Control what you do with your life? Their solution is to grow the nanny state. It requires bigger government, more controls and therefore less freedoms.

The incredible reduction in second hand smoke isn't good enough for them. It still LOOKS like you're smoking, and that brings up baaad memories of the few times they were repulsed while passing a smoker on the street. Peeeeeuuuuuwwwwwww!!!

It seems this guy has been personally affected since his wife might become a vape addict. Even though she's an adult (presumably), he will make these decisions for her. If given the chance, he will decide for you as well. Are we all children in his eyes? Should we listen to him because he knows best? Just who the .... does this guy think he is?!!

This Borg-like attitude has become prevalent the last few decades, pushed by the boob tube and the indoctrination schools. It is completely contrary to American individuality. They, not we, know what's best for us and we will comply at the point of a gun. This mindset sickens me to no end.
 

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Since I shared his hate letter I figured I'd share the reply I sent him once I calmed down a bit.
Well, I was sorry to hear about [your wife] saying “let me try that” or that [your son] did! But the truth is that she’s an adult and can make that kind of grown up decision on her own.

I encourage you to do a little more research before you go off on such a rant or send something like that to a newspaper. Really? “slobbering cigarette addict”? Do you follow the “just quit or die” ideology? Do you realize how many people DIE every year because of cigarettes? Estimated 400,000! That includes slobbering cigarette addicts that are just normal people like you with families, jobs, and have just as much right to live as you but the difference is that they have a deadly habit that they can’t get rid of. Is this device healthier? Undeniably so even by the FDA! Are they completely safe? No! But they are not marketed as such either. Is further research and regulation needed on these devices? Absolutely, but do you think I should just start smoking again in the mean time? I tried quitting, it never lasted. I haven’t had or felt the need for a cigarette in over three months. That is the longest I’ve ever gone. Nicotine is more addictive than ...... and ....... but did you know that it also has medicinal properties that show that it increases concentration and memory and nicotine is being researched to fight Alzheimer’s, depression, and ADD? Yeah – kids getting nicotine because they got ants in their pants. Further studies are being also being done to prove what, if any, harmful effects come solely from the nicotine versus the nicotine when inhaled in cigarette smoke. Increased blood pressure and heart rate? Yeah but you get that from chocolate, caffeine, and sex too!

Not safer than second hand smoke? “it took decades and millions of dollars of studies…” Please check your facts on that. Here’s a link to get you started but there are plenty more. Your rant seems to be more directed at the habit than the actual problem or any real concern about second hand smoke. It seems that you just don’t like seeing anyone that looks like they are smoking in your presence. So what you are saying is that we need government to ban that? How about public display of affection too, or dancing, or whistling a merry tune on a Monday morning? I’m sure someone, somewhere gets bothered by those things even if they don’t harm anyone else. I agree that the vapers that take the “In your Face” attitude are not helping change anyone’s opinion on these devices and that it’ll be a long time (if ever) before that opinion goes away. Dr. Elizabeth Whelan is president of the American Council on Science and Health and is not a “traitorous doctors” with an agenda. Read her comments regarding the e-cig at ACSH.ORG.

As for the “save the children” argument, do you consider yourself a failure as a parent because your children started smoking? What if your kids became alcoholics instead? Would we all be safer living in a dry county? Surely alcohol is the devil too, right? Or maybe kids that develop eating disorders and become obese? The government should ban junk food and close down all of those McDonalds! Do you have any idea the number of commercials for that kind of crap food come on Nickelodeon? These devices are not marketed to non-smokers or children any more than apple flavored vodka jello shots or strawberry daiquiris are marketed for kids. Unfortunately, those vices (and of course traditional cigarettes) are much easier to come by than an expensive electronic cigarette that requires about a $100 initial investment and actual work to clean and maintain in order for it to continue to work. Why bother when they can buy a pack of smokes for less than $10?

Yes! Kids do look up to the example set by their parents as well as other adults but I don’t think of my parents as being failures because of the choices I make that they disagree with. A kid is going to want to ‘be more grown up’ and do what they see grown ups do no matter what. It’s not the government’s job to be my kid’s parents.

Sadly, legislation just recently passed for the FDA to actually have jurisdiction over tobacco. This is going to lure even More people into picking up this bad habit because it gives the false sense of security that cigarettes are now “FDA Approved”. Maybe [your wife] will buy a pack of Marlboros next since they are safer now that the FDA regulates those? “Outlawed the same as normal cigarettes” will never ever happen. Unfortunately, there already is legislation in place that protects the tobacco companies and, even with the new authority granted to the FDA, they will never go away. Besides, government would lose billions of tax dollars if tobacco was ever outlawed and there are too many lobbyist that are in Big Tobacco and Big Pham’s pockets to let that ever happen anyway.

The FDA study confirms what other independent studies have shown in that these devices allow smokers an alternative to cigarettes that do not cause obnoxious second hand smoke smell, they do not contain anywhere near any of the harmful additives or carcinogens found in traditional cigarettes, and in fact are comparable to the same chemicals found in FDA approved NRT (nicotine replacement therapy) like the patch, lozenge, and gum. The big difference is that those devices/methods only offer about a 7% success rate. So far these devices offer a much higher success rate for smokers to quit using cigarettes. Here’s one recent source but there are literally hundreds more testimonials available online including my own.

That you would compare these devices to the Devil, Stalin, and Hitler really shocked me and the more I re-read your proposed editorial the more ridiculous it sounds with these types of references.

Best regards!

[Boom!]

Yeah I know I went on my on rant a bit there but this guy really got to me. How dare he send ME an email like this! :evil:
 

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Since I shared his hate letter I figured I'd share the reply I sent him once I calmed down a bit.


Yeah I know I went on my on rant a bit there but this guy really got to me. How dare he send ME an email like this! :evil:
Perhaps this man is frightened of the unknown and sent you this missive to protect a perceived danger to his family. If that is the case perhaps he wasn't going to submit the letter in the 1st place because you were the one he wanted to warn away. Perhaps this is the only way he could communicate his opinion.

I've always found in situations like this it is much easier to diffuse the anger by saying how much you care about his opinion and want to be respectful of home and family...what can I do to ease your worry? Once he feels like he's been heard, he's more likely to hear and respect your views. :D Lead...and they will follow your example.

Or....he could just be a mean old man!8-o
 

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What makes you think it's a cigarette smoker? :confused:

I never said it was a cigarette smoker. I just quoted what the writer wrote and was just set back with the writer calling people who smoke "poor slobbering cigarette addicts."

I don't think I ever slobbered after I finished teething! LOL
 
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I never said it was a cigarette smoker. I just quoted what the writer wrote and was just set back with the writer calling people who smoke "poor slobbering cigarette addicts."

I don't think I ever slobbered after I finished teething! LOL


Angl--That would be my take also on this writer---and I bet he "Slobbers" his two day old coffee in the morning to get his caffaine hit--LOL


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I never said it was a cigarette smoker. I just quoted what the writer wrote and was just set back with the writer calling people who smoke "poor slobbering cigarette addicts."

I don't think I ever slobbered after I finished teething! LOL

Tired eyes...I apologize!:oops: I confess to a little spittle when I sleep.:D
 

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Don't you feel comforted by people who want to control what you put in your body? Control what you do with your life? Their solution is to grow the nanny state. It requires bigger government, more controls and therefore less freedoms.

The incredible reduction in second hand smoke isn't good enough for them. It still LOOKS like you're smoking, and that brings up baaad memories of the few times they were repulsed while passing a smoker on the street. Peeeeeuuuuuwwwwwww!!!

It seems this guy has been personally affected since his wife might become a vape addict. Even though she's an adult (presumably), he will make these decisions for her. If given the chance, he will decide for you as well. Are we all children in his eyes? Should we listen to him because he knows best? Just who the .... does this guy think he is?!!

This Borg-like attitude has become prevalent the last few decades, pushed by the boob tube and the indoctrination schools. It is completely contrary to American individuality. They, not we, know what's best for us and we will comply at the point of a gun. This mindset sickens me to no end.

You know, I am actually waiting for a change in US approach to the Taliban, because there are many people that have wet dreams about that form of governing. They just can't speak up while Taliban is the enemy...
 
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